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Old 03-18-2008, 02:55 AM
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Maintaining law and order, protecting our land against attacks, building interstate highways, rebuilding communities wrecked by a disaster, etc.

Those are all "needs". So what do you mean by "Politicians shouldn't be 'meeting any needs.'"?

I'm voting for Obama to reduce the burden of federal government by simplifying the tax code, enforcing laws that protect consumers, and bringing to light the part of the constitution that says (to paraphrase) that we're all supposed to be treated equal (or something like that). Obama, in my estimation, has the best chance to do what's right to make our economy more bullet proof (its not bad already, but Obama has good ideas to improve it) in both ups and downs. Our last President has failed greatly to create an economic system that is free from avoidable disturbances like the loan crisis. Obama has the leadership to institute measures that will reduce the burden of taxes and avoidable interferences.
So you think that Obama will be the all inclusive president? Think again, below is from the leaders of the church he has attended for the last 20 years, and birds of a feather flock together. With this kind of leadership, you can bet a civil war will be sure to come.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=59230



What the black community wants, Cone says, is for God to assist in its goal of destroying "the white enemy."

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community

... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
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I'm voting for Obama to reduce the burden of federal government by simplifying the tax code, enforcing laws that protect consumers, and bringing to light the part of the constitution that says (to paraphrase) that we're all supposed to be treated equal (or something like that).
I have to date not heard Obama mention the Constitution in any way.

One of the few pieces of legislation he has championed is the "Global
Poverty Act" that represents a total disregard for constitutional thinking.

He is a proletariat socialist just like the Red Queen.

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Perhaps the problem is that the "black vote" should not matter.
Let me explain.
The "black vote" is connected to several things, only one of which is directly related to skin color: minority/civil rights.
So really the "black vote" should be a coalition of blacks, hispanics, other minorities (especially those disproportionately in poverty and discriminated against), anti-racism advocates, etc.

Other than that "black" is usually synonymous with "urban poor" in terms of the vote. Why split hairs over race? Seems to me that poor blacks should be part of a poor voting block... or a populist voting bloc.

That's where power comes from in a democracy. Coalition. Prioritizing. Compromise.
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There are a lot of special interest groups that call for limited govt. There need is for de-regulation and freedom from religious fundamentalism.

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And I can stop you right here. No one should be voting to have their needs met. Politicians shouldn't be "meeting any needs." Politicians should be upholding the original intent of the Constitution and protecting the unalienable rights of each individual citizen under Natural Law. They should be protecting the right of every adult individual to engage in any peaceful, honest, voluntary activity. Government should only step in if one individual or group initiates force, fraud or coercion.
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So Black voters are the enemy now? I don't see that many Black republicans rising in the red states.

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That reminds me of another old political slogan: reward your friends and punish your enemies. One thing republicans repeatedly find from blacks is doing things for blacks get them nowhere. Did Nixon get votes from blacks for starting the first modern era federal "affirmative action" plan? No. Did Bush get votes from blacks for setting up "affirmative action" in Texas, or renewing the Voting Rights Act? No. Will the republicans get any geezer votes for passing the $1 trillion medicare part D? No. Republicans just never learn.
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Who's going to fight in this civil war? Do you think Balkanization is the answer for ethnic fighting?

Does the white community actually believe that Blacks will pillage if Obama is elected president.

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So you think that Obama will be the all inclusive president? Think again, below is from the leaders of the church he has attended for the last 20 years, and birds of a feather flock together. With this kind of leadership, you can bet a civil war will be sure to come.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/index.p...w&pageId=59230



What the black community wants, Cone says, is for God to assist in its goal of destroying "the white enemy."

Black theology refuses to accept a God who is not identified totally with the goals of the black community. If God is not for us and against white people, then he is a murderer, and we had better kill him. The task of black theology is to kill gods who do not belong to the black community

... Black theology will accept only the love of God which participates in the destruction of the white enemy. What we need is the divine love as expressed in Black Power, which is the power of black people to destroy their oppressors here and now by any means at their disposal. Unless God is participating in this holy activity, we must reject his love.
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Maintaining law and order, protecting our land against attacks, building interstate highways, rebuilding communities wrecked by a disaster, etc.

Those are all "needs". So what do you mean by "Politicians shouldn't be 'meeting any needs.'"?
I don't define them as "needs" - no one has a right to go to another individual or another group and say "Hey, I have needs. You need to meet my needs." Give me a break. Again, government's only legitimate role is punishing those who initiate force, fraud, or coercion. Law enforcement against these types of crimes is therefore covered. As is national defense. Rebuilding communities wrecked by disaster is not. It is your responsibility to insure your property against damage. Charities and other private groups can also help, but that's not government's role - since government has to steal money from other people to do so. If government was funded voluntarily, then you might could make that case, but not so under taxation.

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I'm voting for Obama to reduce the burden of federal government by simplifying the tax code,
Why simplify it when you could just scrap it? That's the ultimate simplification - and it would end the $100 billion cost of compliance as well. Ron Paul is right on this issue. The income tax should be repealed and government should rely on excise taxes for its revenue, which is entirely feasible.

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enforcing laws that protect consumers,
If a company defrauds a consumer, then yes, they should be punished. The problem is, many of your beloved Democrats are colluding with big business to drive the little guy out of the market, as you can see here.

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and bringing to light the part of the constitution that says (to paraphrase) that we're all supposed to be treated equal (or something like that).
This is a misinterpretation of the Constitution. Can the government make you as talented as Michael Jordan in basketball? No. The government cannot make everyone equal. This is absurd. What the equality is referring to is the equality of rights - unalienable rights of the individual - that we all keep what we earn. That we all have a right to be secure in our persons and our property, etc.

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Obama, in my estimation, has the best chance to do what's right to make our economy more bullet proof (its not bad already, but Obama has good ideas to improve it) in both ups and downs. Our last President has failed greatly to create an economic system that is free from avoidable disturbances like the loan crisis. Obama has the leadership to institute measures that will reduce the burden of taxes and avoidable interferences.
Bush has failed precisely because he is a collectivist statist, just as Obama is. Collectivist statist "solutions" will only lead to more problems down the road. Much of our instability is caused by the central bank, the Federal Reserve.
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I think its about having a voice, influence, and to actually have status.

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Perhaps the problem is that the "black vote" should not matter.
Let me explain.
The "black vote" is connected to several things, only one of which is directly related to skin color: minority/civil rights.
So really the "black vote" should be a coalition of blacks, hispanics, other minorities (especially those disproportionately in poverty and discriminated against), anti-racism advocates, etc.

Other than that "black" is usually synonymous with "urban poor" in terms of the vote. Why split hairs over race? Seems to me that poor blacks should be part of a poor voting block... or a populist voting bloc.

That's where power comes from in a democracy. Coalition. Prioritizing. Compromise.
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Loan crises are what happen when you spend money recklessly, kind of like what the US is doing in Iraq.
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