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Actually, he's also winning the indpendent vote.
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Actually, he's also winning the indpendent vote.
Between Dems and liberals in their Primary. It will be totally different in the General.
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Not a slave descent, just another Uncle Tom. So if a black tries anything he is an Uncle Tom, by your deduction then Martin Luther jnr was the biggest Uncle Tom, he wanted everyone to co exist in peace. Not a slave descent, you got to be joking, he is black.



Why would Obama want to destroy you, it is such fear that destroys us, one America is strong. a divided America equals riots and a society that will never reach its potential. Obama wants to go down in history, he can not afford to destroy whites, he needs them to build a great America, that is the only way he will go down in history by making America a leader in more ways than military,
My post is what Obama has been basing his faith and values on for the last 20 years. That comes from the guy who started his church and Wright the recent pastor, you know, Obama's good friend and confidant.

That kind of rhetoric has no place in the president of the United States, and you would be a fool to think Obama has such poor judgement not to know what his church's basic values are, and that is to destroy the white man.

The left wing nut jobs call this an attack from his opponents, I call it an eye opening revelation, because I actually thought Obama would have been good for our nation, and bring to rest the ugliness of racist ideas, I was wrong.
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Between Dems and liberals in their Primary. It will be totally different in the General.
Looking up sources right now - I highly doubt more independents are going for republicans

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Obama has lost 8% approval in the last 4 week..4% over 3 weeks then 4% over the weekend. If you think this speech is going to save him you're nuts.

Hillary is now the only real factor for Democrats in a general election. If she goes so do they.


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What I heard was that the hate being spewed by his pastor is all our fault.
You noticed that too..Its rather subtle but yeah.
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So far, I have calculated the total independent vote for democrats vs republicans in New York (typically "blue" state) and Virginia (typically "red" state) and democrats are winning over independents 2 to 1, according to the exit polls from cnn. I will post the full results when I get them.
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:27 PM
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The General election hasn't happenned.
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Old 03-18-2008, 02:31 PM
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So? You think McCain is going to magically attract the independent vote while trying to court the conservative vote at the same time? Sorry, that's a paradox.
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Applyign nomination process vote sizes to General Election outcomes has historically been shown to be pretty pointless.
Obama Wins Missippi; Over 100,000 more votes than John McCain

Independents tend to be conservative leaning....

DO I think more Independents will go for a centrist over a liberal especially after this pastor crap..you bet.

Few more days and Obama approval ratings will be lower the Hillary Clintons. This speech works with those who didn't give a (*)(*)(*)(*) to begin with but it flopped in general.
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I'm not trying to correlate democratic primary turnout with democratic gen election turnout - I'm saying that McCain will not defeat a 2 to 1 advantage in independent voters in less than one year. If anything, courting the conservative vote will skew it even more, considering the fallout people have had with the GOP in the past few years. Moreover, I'm also debating the point that the independent phenomenon only involves democrats and liberals. The independent voters are voting more frequently for a democratic candidate than a republican one. The analysis in the link is flawed. It says that while Clinton had it easy, Dole had a protracted battle. Well, now McCain has it easy and Democrats are experiencing the protracted battle. Not only that, the Dems still have a lead in the votes. Each presidential race is unique, and this year is no exception. Comparing it to previous election years will not help your argument.

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