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Old 03-23-2008, 08:24 AM
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Well I had determined that I was going to quit my Obama bashing and hope that the media would do a better job now that Obama's true colors had started to emerge.

I should have known better; This morning on the Chris Mathews show, Mathews tried to spin the "For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country" statement by using the corrected speech that Obama campaign put out to try to correct the record on what she had been saying on the stump.

The first time I heard this spin - this lie - was by Bill Schneider of CNN: When an outraged Lou Dobbs interviewed him regarding her statements, Bill Schneider kept correcting Dobbs that she said "really" proud meaning that she was always proud but now she was really proud.

She had given the original version of the speech several times before it came to her campaign's attention that people were feeling outraged by the statement and it might hurt the campaign when it was re-played as it was then sure to be. They then made the calculated decision to put out a new version of the speech rather than dropping the statement altogether, adding the word "really" to distort what she had orignally stated.

They had to do that since to just stop making the speech would not solve their problem since the statement was already out there on video. So they did the next best thing; Put out a video with the modified speech and hope it would be copied as much as the former and thereby mitigate the damage done. So they started making the modified speech to spin that argument.

And now Chris Mathews who is an Obama cheerleader like everyone else over at MSNBC, actually corrected his guest this morning who referred to that now infamous statement, saying that "she said 'really proud' " .

So I looked for a clip of the original speech and found this video which I was glad someone made, which shows how she changed the speech that day. After her modification, she stopped giving the speech altogether.

We know what she meant just like we know now, what her Pastor Wright meant. Neither, love this country or respect it.


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Michelle has more faces then a watch repair store..correction ..Michelle "really" has more faces then a watch repair store" .
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Well I had determined that I was going to quit my Obama bashing and hope that the media would do a better job now that Obama's true colors had started to emerge.

I should have known better; This morning on the Chris Mathews show, Mathews tried to spin the "For the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country" statement by using the corrected speech that Obama campaign put out to try to correct the record on what she had been saying on the stump.

The first time I heard this spin - this lie - was by Bill Schneider of CNN: When an outraged Lou Dobbs interviewed him regarding her statements, Bill Schneider kept correcting Dobbs that she said "really" proud meaning that she was always proud but now she was really proud.

She had given the original version of the speech several times before it came to her campaign's attention that people were feeling outraged by the statement and it might hurt the campaign when it was re-played as it was then sure to be. They then made the calculated decision to put out a new version of the speech rather than dropping the statement altogether, adding the word "really" to distort what she had orignally stated.

They had to do that since to just stop making the speech would not solve their problem since the statement was already out there on video. So they did the next best thing; Put out a video with the modified speech and hope it would be copied as much as the former and thereby mitigate the damage done. So they started making the modified speech to spin that argument.

And now Chris Mathews who is an Obama cheerleader like everyone else over at MSNBC, actually corrected his guest this morning who referred to that now infamous statement, saying that "she said 'really proud' " .

So I looked for a clip of the original speech and found this video which I was glad someone made, which shows how she changed the speech that day. After her modification, she stopped giving the speech altogether.

We know what she meant just like we know now, what her Pastor Wright meant. Neither, love this country or respect it.


YouTube - Michelle Obama "Proud" vs "Really Proud" SPIN ALERT
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Nice work Raeka, not a bad showing. I have to say I'd never seen that 1st video before- only the one where shes in the purple top. You go too far though with the usual conclusions you draw however.

First, you haven't shown that her earlier speeches used that exact language- to me it'd be easy to lose a word here and there- indeed we can see from other parst of that speech that its not verbatim each time.

Secondly, you can't just narrate what the dem strategists were thinking- as far as I'm aware no controversy broke until after she'd given that 2nd speech- and her detractors drew enough problems from the words "really proud" to show it wasn't the best 'spin'.

Third, in an actual direct clarification which you can see here:


so if 'spin' has occured than it lies not between the two speeches, but in this interview. For this interview itself I'd say it make sense- context is right, and word usage; consider if she had been talking about a sports team, she wouldn't use the words 'American swim team' for example, she'd say 'America'- knowing full-well the context was clear.
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There is definately fire in this situation where we all see smoke. Do we really want these people in the White House? We can't even be 100% sure they even like the USA. Between Michelles comments and Obamas links to that Pastor there is more to this than meets the eye.
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Nice work Raeka, not a bad showing. I have to say I'd never seen that 1st video before- only the one where shes in the purple top. You go too far though with the usual conclusions you draw however.

First, you haven't shown that her earlier speeches used that exact language- to me it'd be easy to lose a word here and there- indeed we can see from other parst of that speech that its not verbatim each time.

Secondly, you can't just narrate what the dem strategists were thinking- as far as I'm aware no controversy broke until after she'd given that 2nd speech- and her detractors drew enough problems from the words "really proud" to show it wasn't the best 'spin'.

Third, in an actual direct clarification which you can see here:

YouTube - Michelle Obama clarifies remark.

so if 'spin' has occured than it lies not between the two speeches, but in this interview. For this interview itself I'd say it make sense- context is right, and word usage; consider if she had been talking about a sports team, she wouldn't use the words 'American swim team' for example, she'd say 'America'- knowing full-well the context was clear.
Yeah right. "That was the source of pride that I was talking about."

We know what she was talking about. She is proud now that her husband, her family have a shot at being the nominee. Before that, she was not proud of her country. Look at those first videos again. She can't talk her way out of this now. Not after we've seen her religious and political views as spoken (ranted) by their family pastor. They're a member of his hate club. You don't become a member of the KKK if you disagree with their teachings and you don't become a member of Wright's church if you disagree its beliefs.



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We know what she was talking about.
Obviously, you don't: you want to insert your agenda into the comments.

You do it all the time: "Obama backers think.."

It's just one big fallacy after the next.
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focal ,mine and other Hillary supporters agenda aside which may be true in some cases . You have admit the irony and pure levelness of what Michelle said and of what Wright has been viewed by millions to be preaching ! That is TOOOOO much irony for me but so be it ..think what you want !
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You do it all the time: "Obama backers think.."

It's just one big fallacy after the next.
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That video made me..thanx for that..
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