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As a current resident of Canada, I can tell you - Canada would be more then happy to help out in Iraq right now in a Peace keeping role. The reality is I believe many Canadians, along with many other countries in the world, feel alienated by Bush. The US would do much better with allies then without, and I don't believe it will happen under the current administrations foreign policies.

I'll give you a specific example: Immediately after 9/11, the majority of US planes were diverted to Canadian airports. A lot of people (as you know) were stranded, and had no where to go. All Canadian cities opened up Hot lines for residence to take in US passengers and the outpour was incredible. I myself tried to call in a 1/2 hour after the hotline opened only to be told that they had too many offers and to send water and blankets to the airports instead. As I was working at the airport at that time, I was amazed to see how many people were bringing food from home for those who choose not to leave the airport - not too mention toys, water and blankets. Shortly after, our fire fighters raised 10's of thousands of dollars to send to ground zero, not to mention the thousands of police officers and fire fighters that volunteered to help out. It wasn't even a second thought for anyone - Canada was just helping their neighbors.

But then Bush came out with his Address to the Nation ( the one in Congress). Aside from practically making out with Tony Blair - he thanked EVERY OTHER country in the world except Canada. He acknowledger's the moment of silence by Cairo, Seol and Africa but never mentioned that Canada held the largest international vigil in Ottawa. I'm sorry I know the moment was about the victims, but when you see the countries that are listed in the transcripts there's no question that it was intentional. And I'm sorry, but as Canadians were also among the dead as a result of the twin towers collapse, it was a slap in the face.

Shortly after, when Canada refused to join the US in Iraq - That's when the ties began to sever. Did Bush ever address to the nation (or the press for that matter) that eventhough Canada didn't join the fight in Iraq that they sent the majority of their troops to help find Osama? Canada Saying No to Iraq had nothing to do with not wanting to help their allies- they just wanted to exhaust their limited resources where they felt it was needed the most - catching the monster responsible for 9/11. But again - I believe Bush burned that bridge but it never burned how Canadians feel about Americans.

But anyhow I digress, I just wanted to demonstrate how allies could help in the fight against terrorism, and Canada would definitely be one of them

This is real petty. Of course Bush could have acknowledged the help and support that Canada gave us during our troubles. We've always considered Canada a 'brother'. Some one that you are positivewill be there for you thick and thin. Yes, we came up short. How many buildings in Canada were hit by Al-Queda?, how many Canadians were killed in their own office buildings?

Canada has always been there for us....and us for them. Do you think it's any accident that nobody has ever attacked you. Have you forgotten that your country was best friends with the toughest kid on the block?

American is not perfect....and we will make mistakes....but for goodness sakes stick behind us when we need it. We fought Great Brittan tooth and nail for along time in the early days....but now there is no doubt that they have proven themselves a true ally. Same can be said about Australia. We (up till now) have always been able to count, and that word REALLY means something, but counton Canada. You guys are our friends are we really need you to start acting like it. Please don't send Ms. Campbell down here anymore and have her appear on partisan TV shows (Bill Mahr). It shows such low class for your country.......
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As a current resident of Canada, I can tell you - Canada would be more then happy to help out in Iraq right now in a Peace keeping role. The reality is I believe many Canadians, along with many other countries in the world, feel alienated by Bush. The US would do much better with allies then without, and I don't believe it will happen under the current administrations foreign policies.

I'll give you a specific example: Immediately after 9/11, the majority of US planes were diverted to Canadian airports. A lot of people (as you know) were stranded, and had no where to go. All Canadian cities opened up Hot lines for residence to take in US passengers and the outpour was incredible. I myself tried to call in a 1/2 hour after the hotline opened only to be told that they had too many offers and to send water and blankets to the airports instead. As I was working at the airport at that time, I was amazed to see how many people were bringing food from home for those who choose not to leave the airport - not too mention toys, water and blankets. Shortly after, our fire fighters raised 10's of thousands of dollars to send to ground zero, not to mention the thousands of police officers and fire fighters that volunteered to help out. It wasn't even a second thought for anyone - Canada was just helping their neighbors.

But then Bush came out with his Address to the Nation ( the one in Congress). Aside from practically making out with Tony Blair - he thanked EVERY OTHER country in the world except Canada. He acknowledger's the moment of silence by Cairo, Seol and Africa but never mentioned that Canada held the largest international vigil in Ottawa. I'm sorry I know the moment was about the victims, but when you see the countries that are listed in the transcripts there's no question that it was intentional. And I'm sorry, but as Canadians were also among the dead as a result of the twin towers collapse, it was a slap in the face.

Shortly after, when Canada refused to join the US in Iraq - That's when the ties began to sever. Did Bush ever address to the nation (or the press for that matter) that eventhough Canada didn't join the fight in Iraq that they sent the majority of their troops to help find Osama? Canada Saying No to Iraq had nothing to do with not wanting to help their allies- they just wanted to exhaust their limited resources where they felt it was needed the most - catching the monster responsible for 9/11. But again - I believe Bush burned that bridge but it never burned how Canadians feel about Americans.

But anyhow I digress, I just wanted to demonstrate how allies could help in the fight against terrorism, and Canada would definitely be one of them

This is real petty. Of course Bush could have acknowledged the help and support that Canada gave us during our troubles. We've always considered Canada a 'brother'. Some one that you are positivewill be there for you thick and thin. Yes, we came up short. How many buildings in Canada were hit by Al-Queda?, how many Canadians were killed in their own office buildings?

Canada has always been there for us....and us for them. Do you think it's any accident that nobody has ever attacked you. Have you forgotten that your country was best friends with the toughest kid on the block?

American is not perfect....and we will make mistakes....but for goodness sakes stick behind us when we need it. We fought Great Brittan tooth and nail for along time in the early days....but now there is no doubt that they have proven themselves a true ally. Same can be said about Australia. We (up till now) have always been able to count, and that word REALLY means something, but counton Canada. You guys are our friends are we really need you to start acting like it. Please don't send Ms. Campbell down here anymore and have her appear on partisan TV shows (Bill Mahr). It shows such low class for your country.......
Great post, Jakkyl. Very well said!
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How about actually killing the fricking terrorists and not a thousands of innocent woman and children. Would that be to wimpy for you. Or does cluster bombing civilians and blowing the appendeges off small children for no apparent reason make you feel manly?
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...that he'll be going after the actual TERRORISTS, it sounds good to me.
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for a little group counseling, maybe some family therapy, and a few drum circles.
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Maybe he'll find out what makes them tick so your children won't have to put up with this crap.

Anyway, it beats hell out of killing little old ladies in Iraq who had nothing to do with September 11.
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That's a blow. I was even starting to lean Kerry... but I don't want a "more sensitive" war on terror, for crying out loud. I want a "kick-their-doors-in, blow-their-brains-onto-the-wall" war on terror.

As for our supposed "allies," all I can say is they need us more than we need them. They're fair-weather friends all the way, which is sad. Canada, France, and the rest can't contribute soldiers to the war on terror. They simply don't have the means. They're far to used to surviving off of the back of the U.S. military, and that means their OWN militaries are simply not equipped for fighting outside of their own nations.
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Default Nah, I prefer killing terrorists to therapizing them.

If it's all the same to you.

Tell me, In your oh-so-knowledgeable opinion, how many old ladies have we killed?

Got some hard numbers on that claim?
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I'll tell you how many little old ladies when you can tell me how many 9/11 terrorists we've killed in Iraq.

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how many future terrorists have we aprehended or killed in Iraq.....
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