Livefrmtx wrote “Bush served in the National Guard, and was, in addition, a qualified fighter pilot (a dangerous job under the best of circumstances). To disrespect his service in the National Guard is the same as disrespecting ALL National Guard vets, whether or not they served in a combat zone. "

Livefrmtx makes a very cogent and intelligent point here when he said “disrespect his service in the National Guard is the same as disrespecting ALL National Guard vets”
I served as a regular Air Force member but attached to a very under staffed activated Air National unit. A very few and very rare case during the VIETNAM WAR. They SERVED alongside us regulars with their F100 Super Sabers out of central Vietnam. I had the utmost respect for them as pilots and human beings. Gee now I blew the cover of where my moniker came from. Yes at least Bush, though not in war, served in some capacity. I respect that. I disagree with him on economics I do not and shall not denigrate his service in the TANG. Texas Air National Guard.

Let’s build on “ Livefrmtx ‘s “wisdom. Likewise when you disrespect Kerry for his service in Vietnam you disrespect all the Vets who served there. When you make up lies about Kerry’s service or his motivation for serving you disrespect nervy vet who served. When you lie and say that he got medals for nothing and lie and say that medals were easy to get, you denigrate all of us who got them. YOU DO NOT APPLY FOR a Purple HEART, you are given one along with written orders for each wound suffered from hostile enemy action. You cannot refuse to accept them. You can choose not to wear them. Though you are technically violating an order in uniform protocol; at least as I remember that part of the rules.

Who is the "you" referred to above? The Vets accusing Kerry of lying about the specifics of his military service? THEY ARE MEMEBERS OF HIS OWN VIETNAM UNIT!!

The authors of "Unfit For Command" are directly QUOTING John Kerry's own units members. Just because they were NOT on his boat DOESN'T mean that they, Swift Boat skippers themselves, do not have direct knowledge of John Kerry in Vietnam. They operated out of the same base, on the same rivers, they bunked, ate, and slept together....and they were there at the exact same time!!!!

We, the public, are not saying anything. Vietnam Swift Boat Vets are...which says a lot about John Kerry.

Speaking of John Kerry....

John Kerry wants to be "sensitive" about the terrorists.

We are involved in a war against people who want to kill you, your family, and destroy America. Who do you want to defend you....Alan Alda or Braveheart??

And one other thing....No one forced John Kerry to make his sevice in Vietnam his #1 qualification for his bid to become president. Seems liberhaters want him to be able to run as a "war hero"....and yet no one, not even the very same vets he served with, can question his service??

PUH-friggin'-lease...

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"John Kerry gave the enemy for free what I and my comrades in the prison camps in North Vietnam took torture to avoid saying. He sold us out."
- Paul Galanti, US P.O.W.

"YOU DO NOT APPLY FOR a Purple HEART, you are given one along with written orders for each wound suffered from hostile enemy action. "


That is the point! His commander said that there was no enemy engagement! Who gave him the first purple heart? He could prove it, and shut everybody up. He absolutely should sue the pants off of everybody if they're lying. He's either being terribly wronged, or he's the most vile man in America. Remember, he slandered them first.

I speak to the collective you. The "unfit for command" book was not a response IS NOT a response to Kerry's military service. It is in response to his testimony about the conduct of the war in the senate hearings. The leader of the anti Kerry cabal has attacked Kerry since 1971. It was political. It was personal. People who served on his boat support him. Some others who did not serve on his boat degrade him and invent lies.

So all you have proved is that some people believe Kerry some don't.

If you tell a lie long enough and often enough they will believe it to be true.

livefrmtexASS says:Who is the "you" referred to above? The Vets accusing Kerry of lying about the specifics of his military service? THEY ARE MEMEBERS OF HIS OWN VIETNAM UNIT!!

The authors of "Unfit For Command" are directly QUOTING John Kerry's own units members. Just because they were NOT on his boat DOESN'T mean that they, Swift Boat skippers themselves, do not have direct knowledge of John Kerry in Vietnam. They operated out of the same base, on the same rivers, they bunked, ate, and slept together....and they were there at the exact same time!!!!



IDIOT!!! Have you shoved your head SO far up your bum to avoid hearing the truth that you truly haven't heard that THE BOOK HAS BEEN DISCREDITED? THOROUGHLY?

Good god!! The pig that wrote the book has been on ALL the talk shows 'horing the thing and has been nailed at almost every stop because ONLY ONE GUY IN THE BOOK WAS EVER ON THE SAME BOAT AS KERRY!!

14 of 15 guys who WERE on the boat with him and who DID serve with him have endorsed him and most are helping on the campaign!

The author of the book is realy busy back-pedalling and distancing himself from his CO-AUTHOR who has been a bumboy of Karl Rove's forever and has had a hardon against the Viet Nam Vets Against the War for 30 years that he just can't get satisfied. So even though the name ON THE COVER says "co-author" and his picture is in the flyleaf the co-author who has been 'horing the book on tour is trying to say Corsi was hardly involved in the book at all - - -"did some editing".

yah right.

YOU'VE BEEN HAD, SUCKERS!!!!!!!!

I remind you: personal attacks are for the weak-minded. Further, the book hasn't been discredited at all. You haven't done your research, it would seem. It included many interviews with good men, veterans who have never been in politics before but feel they need to speak out. These ARE men who served with Kerry, and witnessed his exploits.

Ah, somebody who knows nothing about the military. No wonder you don't understand.

Swift boats almost always operated in packs of three, mere yards from one another. Further, they all slept, ate, and lived in the same bunk. These men served with Kerry, sorry to tell you.

Of course, one of the points of contention in the book is what is meant by "yards." The proper modifier appears to be "hundreds of".

So in several cases you have guys a football field and 30 years away disputing the at-the-time accounts of the people it actually happened to.

You haven't read the book, obviously. I'm glad you let your liberal handlers think FOR you.

Nope, I haven't read the book; have you? I was under the impression it didn't come out until next week. But I have read quite a lot about it, on both sides, including wading through at least one Sedy Alpha post and one of the spams Livefrmtx shotgunned at the board. I do try to know what I'm talking about.

I am willing to be educated by you if you dispute the point I made.

I have read it, yes.

Your point doesn't need disputing, unless you want to call the veterans liars. They were with Kerry when these events occured, and there CANNOT be two versions. They state quite clearly what they saw, and they differ so dramatically from Kerry's interpretation of events that only one group can be telling the truth. The book backs up its facts with footnotes and interviews from dozens of people; so far I've seen nothing similar from Kerry or his campaign.

For my part, I'm more willing to believe these combat veterans (who have never been involved in politics before) who served in Vietnam far longer than the few months Kerry was there collecting his medals like bottlecaps.