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i have no problem with those things, personally. if a fetus can survive abortion, its viable and doesnt need to be aborted anyway.
I could live with these laws as a medium.
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Old 04-04-2008, 06:34 AM
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That doesn't make any sense. Again, the number of people using it as anything other than an emergency is tiny.
Sure it does, if you're about to have sex and don't have birth control you don't worry if there is an abortion option. And your stats don't say that those using it other than an emergency is tiny. It refers to repeat abortions, which as a pure number is not tiny.

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Well, duh. It was illegal before. Everyone pretty much acknowledges that reliable pre-Roe statistics are impossible to come by.
Which proves my point, that if you limited abortion then you would have fewer abortions and more people acting responsibly. Which is exactly what I said before, that your numbers are skewed because if abortion were illegal you would have fewer people seeking them and getting unwanted pregnancies. And of course some of those pregnant would end up keeping their babies.

Point being, you can't just look at the number of abortions and assume that's how many adoptions you need. It would never happen that way because abortions would be fewer for various reasons.
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Sure it does, if you're about to have sex and don't have birth control you don't worry if there is an abortion option. And your stats don't say that those using it other than an emergency is tiny. It refers to repeat abortions, which as a pure number is not tiny.
I seriously doubt a significant portion of people think that way. I know I didn't, when I was young. The availability of abortion wasn't really a factor in my decisions about whom to sleep with, and when.

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Which proves my point, that if you limited abortion then you would have fewer abortions and more people acting responsibly.
You've managed to turn this around. My point was that banning abortion would result in a huge increase in live births, swamping the number of available adoptive families.

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Which is exactly what I said before, that your numbers are skewed because if abortion were illegal you would have fewer people seeking them and getting unwanted pregnancies. And of course some of those pregnant would end up keeping their babies.
I'll agree that banning abortion would result in fewer unplanned pregnancies. My point is that the numbers are so out of whack -- abortions outpace adoption by an order of magnitude -- that you'd have to believe that banning abortion would *drastically* reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies in order for the numbers to balance.

I just don't believe that banning abortion will reduce unplanned pregnancies from 1.2 million a year to 120,000 a year.
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I could live with these laws as a medium.
so could i. there you have it!
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Liberals want to hold NO ONE Accountable for there actions! A child is NOT A PUNISHMENT! A child is a Blessing! And if someone gets knocked up that baby will be a blessing for someone who cant have one. I could care less if that person does or doesent want that baby! She screwed up "MADE A STUPID MISTAKE " and now its time to face the music! Its just like bailing out homeowners! Liberals dont want to hold anyone accountable for there actions! They want the state to take care of thoes who make mistakes and paid for by thoes of us who dont! Thats rediculous!

You dont work? Thats OK! Our Taxpayers will take care of you!

You didnt read the loan for your mortgage? Thats Ok, the Taxpayers will take care of you!

You "made a mistake" and got pregnant? Dont worry! We will make it legal for you to destroy that child!

You dont have health care? Dont Worry! The Taxpayers will pay for it!
It was more of a statement that he's not against abortion; if you have to super analyze every word that’s said or not said! Liberals want to hold "NO ONE ACCOUNTABLE" are you serious or you just forgot about the pending Impeachment of Chaney , the Ignored cries to find out why Prosecutors were fired for political reasons, How the no bid contracts remain un-fulfilled and the amount of fraud that has been discovered during the oversight of the financial records. Neo-cons want to have free reign is more like it! Answerable to no-one; kind of like Dick&Bush!
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I seriously doubt a significant portion of people think that way. I know I didn't, when I was young. The availability of abortion wasn't really a factor in my decisions about whom to sleep with, and when.
I didn't either, but I know some do. My sister's best friend and my cousin are two of them. Anecdotal, but I still believe abortions provide a backstop for other birth control methods which is exactly why the rates have increased since Roe vs Wade.

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You've managed to turn this around. My point was that banning abortion would result in a huge increase in live births, swamping the number of available adoptive families.
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I'll agree that banning abortion would result in fewer unplanned pregnancies. My point is that the numbers are so out of whack -- abortions outpace adoption by an order of magnitude -- that you'd have to believe that banning abortion would *drastically* reduce the number of unplanned pregnancies in order for the numbers to balance.

I just don't believe that banning abortion will reduce unplanned pregnancies from 1.2 million a year to 120,000 a year.
I think it would based on history, in 1973 we didn't have huge amounts of kids in foster care versus today. Maybe it was higher, but not to epidemic proportions that using your figures might indicate.
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It was more of a statement that he's not against abortion; if you have to super analyze every word that’s said or not said! Liberals want to hold "NO ONE ACCOUNTABLE" are you serious or you just forgot about the pending Impeachment of Chaney , the Ignored cries to find out why Prosecutors were fired for political reasons, How the no bid contracts remain un-fulfilled and the amount of fraud that has been discovered during the oversight of the financial records. Neo-cons want to have free reign is more like it! Answerable to no-one; kind of like Dick&Bush!
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