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Old 08-16-2004, 09:06 AM
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Default Suppressing the Black Vote in Florida

August 16, 2004
OP-ED COLUMNIST
Suppress the Vote?
By BOB HERBERT

The big story out of Florida over the weekend was the tragic devastation caused by Hurricane Charley. But there's another story from Florida that deserves our attention.

State police officers have gone into the homes of elderly black voters in Orlando and interrogated them as part of an odd "investigation" that has frightened many voters, intimidated elderly volunteers and thrown a chill over efforts to get out the black vote in November.

The officers, from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement, which reports to Gov. Jeb Bush, say they are investigating allegations of voter fraud that came up during the Orlando mayoral election in March.

Officials refused to discuss details of the investigation, other than to say that absentee ballots are involved. They said they had no idea when the investigation might end, and acknowledged that it may continue right through the presidential election.

"We did a preliminary inquiry into those allegations and then we concluded that there was enough evidence to follow through with a full criminal investigation," said Geo Morales, a spokesman for the Department of Law Enforcement.

The state police officers, armed and in plain clothes, have questioned dozens of voters in their homes. Some of those questioned have been volunteers in get-out-the-vote campaigns.

I asked Mr. Morales in a telephone conversation to tell me what criminal activity had taken place.

"I can't talk about that," he said.

I asked if all the people interrogated were black.

"Well, mainly it was a black neighborhood we were looking at - yes,'' he said.

He also said, "Most of them were elderly."

When I asked why, he said, "That's just the people we selected out of a random sample to interview."

Back in the bad old days, some decades ago, when Southern whites used every imaginable form of chicanery to prevent blacks from voting, blacks often fought back by creating voters leagues, which were organizations that helped to register, educate and encourage black voters. It became a tradition that continues in many places, including Florida, today.

Not surprisingly, many of the elderly black voters who found themselves face to face with state police officers in Orlando are members of the Orlando League of Voters, which has been very successful in mobilizing the city's black vote.

The president of the Orlando League of Voters is Ezzie Thomas, who is 73 years old. With his demonstrated ability to deliver the black vote in Orlando, Mr. Thomas is a tempting target for supporters of George W. Bush in a state in which the black vote may well spell the difference between victory and defeat.

The vile smell of voter suppression is all over this so-called investigation by the Florida Department of Law Enforcement.

Joseph Egan, an Orlando lawyer who represents Mr. Thomas, said: "The Voters League has workers who go into the community to do voter registration, drive people to the polls and help with absentee ballots. They are elderly women mostly. They get paid like $100 for four or five months' work, just to offset things like the cost of their gas. They see this political activity as an important contribution to their community. Some of the people in the community had never cast a ballot until the league came to their door and encouraged them to vote."

Now, said Mr. Egan, the fear generated by state police officers going into people's homes as part of an ongoing criminal investigation related to voting is threatening to undo much of the good work of the league. He said, "One woman asked me, 'Am I going to go to jail now because I voted by absentee ballot?' "

According to Mr. Egan, "People who have voted by absentee ballot for years are refusing to allow campaign workers to come to their homes. And volunteers who have participated for years in assisting people, particularly the elderly or handicapped, are scared and don't want to risk a criminal investigation."

Florida is a state that's very much in play in the presidential election, with some polls showing John Kerry in the lead. A heavy-handed state police investigation that throws a blanket of fear over thousands of black voters can only help President Bush.

The long and ugly tradition of suppressing the black vote is alive and thriving in the Sunshine State.

http://www.nytimes.com/2004/08/16/op...rint&position=
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Default Is this about suppressing the black vote, as the NY Times

columnist concluded, or is there more to the story that anyone who had a mind to could have found?

http://www.orlandoweekly.com/news/story.asp?ID=4391

The lawsuit alleging that ballots were tampered with has not been thrown out of court, and a criminal investigation has also been launched based upon voter statements.


Funny how the NY Times is able to make such inflammatory allegations while only telling half the story.

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Default By the way, Mr. Herbert is incorrect in his allegation that

this investigation was initiated by Jeb! (not that I like the guy). The investigation was initiated by Ken Mulaney, one of the candidates in the mayoral race. Mr. Mulaney made a complaint of elections fraud to FDLE, which started the investigation.

He also provided sworn affadavits of those who felt their absentee ballots had been collected using false information and/or had been tampered with.

http://www.local6.com/money/3611320/detail.html

So, tell me, was their investigation of the city's fire union being paid by incumbent Buddy Dyer to campaign on his behalf also racially motivated?

(*)(*)(*)(*), that Jeb! He's everywhere.
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Also, let's note that Herbert is a columnist. This wasn't a biased news story, as some will undoubtedly conclude.

Hey, Catz. Your folks doing okay?
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Default Yeah, this article is really light on facts,

heavy on unsubstantiated opinion...

My folks are good. Their home sustained minimal damage. Punta Gorda is about 10-15 miles south of where they live (in Venice Beach, FL). The storm surge was projected to be 18 feet, which would have been about waist high in my mom's living room, but was only about 7 feet where they live.

We were pretty worried on Friday, but glad they were with us. They don't have power, but feel lucky to be safe, sound, and dry with a home to go back to.

Thanks for asking, Ray.

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Default Hey Catz

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heavy on unsubstantiated opinion...

My folks are good. Their home sustained minimal damage. Punta Gorda is about 10-15 miles south of where they live (in Venice Beach, FL). The storm surge was projected to be 18 feet, which would have been about waist high in my mom's living room, but was only about 7 feet where they live.

We were pretty worried on Friday, but glad they were with us. They don't have power, but feel lucky to be safe, sound, and dry with a home to go back to.

Thanks for asking, Ray.

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Did your folks suffer any damage to their home? We in Tampa were so lucky. Up until 1:00 pm on FRIDAY, we had the big X on us. Some of the pictures from Venice and Charlotte are just awful.

Thank God your folks are ok..
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