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Default Hillary takes lead with popular vote(if you include FL+MI)

As of now IF Florida and Michigan are included Hillary Clinton is ahead in the popular vote.

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Popular Vote (w/FL & MI)**
Obama- 14,973,720 47.4%

Clinton- 15,095,663 47.8%

Clinton +121,943 +0.4%
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ote_count.html



Uh Oh..whatever shall the Party of the "popular vote" do!




(That whole disenfranchising voters thing just got red hot.)
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Old 04-23-2008, 04:38 AM
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Why would you include florida and michigan? Let's include Mexico and Canada while you're at it.
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Why would you include florida and michigan? Let's include Mexico and Canada while you're at it.
When did Mexico and Canada become a part of the United States like Florida and Michigan. I have to admit the fight between these two gives me a chuckle.
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Why would you include florida and michigan? Let's include Mexico and Canada while you're at it.
Why wouldn't you. Dumb Dean said there Delegates wouldn't count, he never mentioned that the voters votes wouldn't count. Every voter who votes must be counted.

Now quit whinning just cause your wimpy canidate got his butt kicked!
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Why wouldn't you. Dumb Dean said there Delegates wouldn't count, he never mentioned that the voters votes wouldn't count. Every voter who votes must be counted.

Now quit whinning just cause your wimpy canidate got his butt kicked!
I'm not whining. I just don't see the point in even mentioning this fact given that their delegates will not count. Why speak in hypotheticals when the situation will not even become a reality? The voter's votes don't count here either because delegates are selected based on the vote - if there are no delegates, how can the people's vote actually count?

In every state where Obama campaigns his numbers go up. Had Obama been allowed to campaign in those states, Hillary and her supporters wouldn't be crying about the situation so much because it would have been much closer than it is.
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Obama wasn't even on the ballot in Michigan.

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Results from Michigan

Clinton - 55% (328,151 votes)
Uncommitted - 40% (237,762 votes)
Kucinich - 4% (21,708 votes)
Dodd - 1% (3,853 votes)
Gravel - <1% (2,363 votes)

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In two Michigan counties, Uncommitted actually beat Hillary. What percentage of those voters would have voted for Obama if they had the choice? How many of Clinton's voters looked down the ticket and didn't really want Kucinich, Dodd or Gravel and chose the best of their choices?

There is no way that Michigan could ever be counted unless there was some kind of re-vote and that's not gonna happen.

Florida, however, is a different story. I don't think they should count those votes because there was no campaigning there, which of course favors the candidate with name recognition (Hillary). That becomes a popularity contest and not an election. Although, there is a better chance of getting Florida counted than Michigan.
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Why would you include florida and michigan? Let's include Mexico and Canada while you're at it.
Every vote must count, so people are not disenfranchised...

At least that's what liberals say when it's convenient.
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It is not fair to add Michigan votes to Clinton's vote tally because Obama recieved zero votes from that state. That gives her a net gain of 328,151 votes, when it might well have been in the triple digits.
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It is not fair to add Michigan votes to Clinton's vote tally because Obama recieved zero votes from that state. That gives her a net gain of 328,151 votes, when it might well have been in the triple digits.

People must be smart in Michigan, as he got zero votes.
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