No we are talking about self defense. I think it all Muslims were attacking me I would have the right (God given) to kill them all. And if I couldn't kill them all before I died I would kill all I could.

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ABoyNamedSue - Speaking of Crestwoods posts - And then there'll be some link to some page, written in hindu or something, talking about sherpas and A&W root beer, and how George Bush is to blame for some Jewish neo-nazi death camp, run by Elvis Presley, on the far side of the moon that's been busted for killing kittens or something

Okay then.

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A good plan violently executed now is better than a perfect plan executed next week.
George S. Patton

Not at all!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry brother. I disagree with ya here. I would rather die myself than kill an innocent to save myself.

The next part may sound selfish to some, some it may not. But I would rather see an innocent of another country die before an innocent from my own.

Do I justify the Innocent's death by telling myself that his death saved an American innocent? No.

It may be kind of hard to understand for some. Maybe I am not putting into the correct words.
Would I die to save an innocent that is in Iraq? I like to think that I would.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

I think it's natural to think that way. I'd prefer not to see any innocents die, and if I had to choose between an innocent from my own country, and an innocent from another country, I wouldn't be able to choose.

I would too. I don't even think I would hesitate to give my life to save the life of an innocent person.

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She Will Rise Again Sacrifice The Saints Still Love Remains
I'm A Tart! What! You Want Some Of This!
I would Tarja...among other things...

I admire you and will take your words at the value I give you. You are an American hero, thus your thought process, that is what makes you great.

Would you justify an innocents death save one of your brothers?

If I were in uniform today, fighting a war, and needed to lay down my life to save an innocent person - yes because that is my call.

The place I am in today seeing the fighting that is going on and the stupidity of some of the rules of engagement that I see - not blowing up places of worship, heros being brought up on charges of murder, political correctness hamstringing our efforts. I am at the point that I want the advantage and I may have spoken with emotion instead of intelligence.

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ABoyNamedSue - Speaking of Crestwoods posts - And then there'll be some link to some page, written in hindu or something, talking about sherpas and A&W root beer, and how George Bush is to blame for some Jewish neo-nazi death camp, run by Elvis Presley, on the far side of the moon that's been busted for killing kittens or something

That's not what I asked. Obviously if you were defending yourself, I would not blame you but I asked how many Muslims you would kill to save your own life. I never mentioned anything about their aggressiveness.

Let me clarify it then:

How many innocent Muslims would you allow to be killed in order to prevent yourself from being killed?

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"When a man assumes public trust, he should consider himself as public property"
-Thomas Jefferson
"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
-Albert Einstein
"One man with courage is a majority"
-Thomas Jefferson

Sir, I am no hero. But thank you.

I think that you once said that you were in the military, or had been in, so you may understand what I am going to say. Some may not..

This gun club’s first responsibility is to the mission, then to her troops. My first responsibility as a leader will always be to my Marines.

I do not justify it as saving one of my own. But my first choice will always be my boys.

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Jones:- We're going to teach them climbing, abseiling, canoeing, archery, shooting...

Interviewer:- Shooting! That's a bit irresponsible isn't it?

Jones:- I don't see why, they'll be properly supervised on the range.

Interviewer:- Don't you admit that this is a terribly dangerous activity to be teaching children?
You're equipping them to become violent killers.

Jones:- Well, you're equipped to be a prostitute but you're not one are you?

That was where I was coming from. But I understand your 1st post in regards to this issue, as I was somewhat angry at the time about the ignorance shown on this forum at times.

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ABoyNamedSue - Speaking of Crestwoods posts - And then there'll be some link to some page, written in hindu or something, talking about sherpas and A&W root beer, and how George Bush is to blame for some Jewish neo-nazi death camp, run by Elvis Presley, on the far side of the moon that's been busted for killing kittens or something

I guess the question would be... Why would they need to die so that I might survive? If they are peaceful and I am at peace I have no reason for any of them to die.

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ABoyNamedSue - Speaking of Crestwoods posts - And then there'll be some link to some page, written in hindu or something, talking about sherpas and A&W root beer, and how George Bush is to blame for some Jewish neo-nazi death camp, run by Elvis Presley, on the far side of the moon that's been busted for killing kittens or something