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Because I'm from Illinois and am well aware of his policies
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Why would you nlot vote for Obama?

What is the primary reason that you are against Obama ?

Is it race ?
His skin color ? Is it too light ? Too dark ?
His political positions and if so what specifically ?
The fact that he is a Christian?
His gender ?
His patriotism ? If so specifically what ?
Is it because he cannot bowl to save his life ?
I am curious because I am not against Obama I am just for McCain.
His political positions and campaign promises. I do not want Nationalized Health Care, I believe that pulling out of Iraq is wrong, and he is the most liberal Senator in the United States.
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I disagree with him on so many things, it's hard to narrow it down. Two things stand out for me.

I believe he is utterly ignorant and naive on everything having to do with foreign policy, the military and national security. I can't find even the tiniest aspect of any of those things I can agree with him on.

His economic policy relies solely on class warfare, IMO. Witness his capital gains stupidity. His words only impress the ignorant.
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He is a demagogue. He wants to establish an authoritarian state where no one is poor, no matter how lazy, where everyone has healthcare, regardless of whether or not they want to pay for it. He is a populist, and tells what people want (such as hope) so that he can get elected, regardless of whether what he says is true. He is a socialist, and has openly admitted to wanting to ruin the economy "for the purpose of fairness." He wants your money. He's anti-American. Hamas openly supports him. His economic policies are not policies, they're attempts to get elected. He wants people to be dependent on the government for their wellbeing so that they will continue to support his regime and won't elect him out of office. Basically, he is a multi-culturist, anti-militant, internationalist Hitler, and someone try to prove me wrong.
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Why would you nlot vote for Obama?

What is the primary reason that you are against Obama ?

Is it race ?
His skin color ? Is it too light ? Too dark ?
His political positions and if so what specifically ?
The fact that he is a Christian?
His gender ?
His patriotism ? If so specifically what ?
Is it because he cannot bowl to save his life ?
I am curious because I am not against Obama I am just for McCain.
He is an anti-American political candidate who has oozed to the top of the party because the party of the democrats rewards anti-American thinkers.
He is unpatriotic, even anti-patriotic.
He has never served one day in the military. I prefer veterans.
He belonged to a racist church, an anti-white church, an anti-American church, an anti-Semitic church as well as a pro-muslim, pro-Hamas church for twenty years, and didn't notice it until FOXNews pointed it out to him.
He associates with known terrorists unapologetically.
His Father was anti-American, his step-father was anti-American, and his mother was anti-American, so is it any wonder why he is anti-American?
His wife is anti-American, and was never proud of her country until recently.
His is the son of a muslim and associates with and has connection to the Nation of Islam.
He is a closet drug user and possibly homosexual.
He thinks white people "cling" to their guns and their religion.
Other than the above mentioned problems and several other unmentioned ones, I don't agree with him on any of the issues, and he is and was the most inexperienced candidates the democrats offered up, and the democrats chose him because they thought it would be cute to go with the black guy this time so they could demonstrate the diversity of their thinking and wanted to prove this time they are not racists at all.

See! They are not racists! They voted for the black guy over the Mexican, the woman and the Jew!
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He is a demagogue. He wants to establish an authoritarian state where no one is poor, no matter how lazy, where everyone has healthcare, regardless of whether or not they want to pay for it. He is a populist, and tells what people want (such as hope) so that he can get elected, regardless of whether what he says is true. He is a socialist, and has openly admitted to wanting to ruin the economy "for the purpose of fairness." He wants your money. He's anti-American. Hamas openly supports him. His economic policies are not policies, they're attempts to get elected. He wants people to be dependent on the government for their wellbeing so that they will continue to support his regime and won't elect him out of office. Basically, he is a multi-culturist, anti-militant, internationalist Hitler, and someone try to prove me wrong.
Nice strawman.

That being said, you're a minority, and people like you never change their mind and will never decide an election.

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'Collectivist', 'big government', what else do you mean? Habit I've noticed of posters of the conservative persuasion on this forum is a particular tendency toward branding anyone not totally in lockstep with your own views is instantly a 'communist', 'socialist' or some other overdramatic name.

Somehow because Obama would use government power if he became President, he is instantly a 'collectivist'.

I'd like to tell you something friend, the world in general and politics in particular is a very diverse thing, in Europe for example or even in my own country we do not see government is bad but that it can be useful for solving problems, we don't elect a government with the hope that government will shrink itself into nothing and try to absolve itself of the responsibility of the mandate we gave it but handing everything away to the private sector.

I believe the more power you give the private sector the less democratic the country becomes because the elected government has less economic tools available to implement policies to the people.

Talk to an average person, they don't want their government sold away into nothingness. The anti-government trend in America is truly disturbing because what it will eventually lead to is a completely atomized society where everyone is completely alone and their is no sense of the commons. What you end up with is the 'core' of government, basically emergency services (police, fire, ambulance) and the military, things which if privatized threaten the very soul of what we are as a society or nation, and yet in America even this 'core' is not safe.

You can think as you wish, but I think government is a good thing, and I am proud to say that.

Well in America, we would like our government to be "of the people, by the people, for the people", (Abraham Lincoln) but it isn't.

We would like our government to "derive their just powers from the consent of the governed" (Declaration of Independence), but they don't.

We would like government to be "wise and frugal" (Thomas Jefferson), but it is neither.

We believe that "The Constitution is not an instrument for the government to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the government -- lest it come to dominate our lives and interests" (Patrick Henry), but government doesn't agree.

We believe that people should "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country." (J. F. Kennedy), but instead the government has dished out so much candy lately by mortgaging everyone's future that this principle has been lost.

We also know that "Any man who wants to be president is either an egomaniac or crazy." (Eisenhower), so naturally we are worried about who will be in charge of our government, because it certainly won't be "the people."

We don't hate the idea of government, just how a lot of it is being run. Most Americans, and I think rightly so, see our government as corrupt, inept, disfunctional, and ignorant, with a short-term mindset.
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'Collectivist', 'big government', what else do you mean? Habit I've noticed of posters of the conservative persuasion on this forum is a particular tendency toward branding anyone not totally in lockstep with your own views is instantly a 'communist', 'socialist' or some other overdramatic name.

Somehow because Obama would use government power if he became President, he is instantly a 'collectivist'.

I'd like to tell you something friend, the world in general and politics in particular is a very diverse thing, in Europe for example or even in my own country we do not see government is bad but that it can be useful for solving problems, we don't elect a government with the hope that government will shrink itself into nothing and try to absolve itself of the responsibility of the mandate we gave it but handing everything away to the private sector.

I believe the more power you give the private sector the less democratic the country becomes because the elected government has less economic tools available to implement policies to the people.

Talk to an average person, they don't want their government sold away into nothingness. The anti-government trend in America is truly disturbing because what it will eventually lead to is a completely atomized society where everyone is completely alone and their is no sense of the commons. What you end up with is the 'core' of government, basically emergency services (police, fire, ambulance) and the military, things which if privatized threaten the very soul of what we are as a society or nation, and yet in America even this 'core' is not safe.

You can think as you wish, but I think government is a good thing, and I am proud to say that.
Excellent points. While privatization of most things is good, there are some areas in which the government must step in to stop average people from getting screwed by greedy and powerful individuals.

It seems that most of the GOP-heads (not that every who supports McCain is a GOP head, but those who post nothing but hate and over-simplifications like "he's a appeasing communist" represent the typical GOP-state-of-mind) fail to understand that we created a government for a reason. If you strip all of its power, you have anarchy.

While pure socialism clearly does not work, neither does pure capitalism (unless you want all of our cities to be like Bangkok).

The problem with the GOP is that they want to use government power to take away our rights (right to choose your medicine, get married to whoever you want, have a private phone call, etc), while I want a government that is dedicated to preserving our rights and expanding our freedom.

While McCain represents that same old GOP freedom-repression-style of government, Obama is more likely to give our states and cities the right to make their own decisions.

And anybody who thinks Obama will pull back the troops rapidly is smoking something. He will consult his generals, and bring them out at a rate that is safe for keeping Iraq secure until they have built forces to protect their own government.
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I'll jump to conclusions of your intolerance when you say you disagree with someone because their views are "well wrong".
Uh...isn't that when you typically "disagree" with someone is when their views are "well wrong"?

Intolerance isn't that.

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