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Old 05-05-2008, 03:44 AM
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He is an anti-American political candidate who has oozed to the top of the party because the party of the democrats rewards anti-American thinkers.
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He is unpatriotic, even anti-patriotic.
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He has never served one day in the military. I prefer veterans.
Well why did you vote for the current president, did he really serve one day in the military?
Or was he given a deferment to rescue him from serving in Vietnam like the rest of his peers.

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He belonged to a racist church, an anti-white church, an anti-American church, an anti-Semitic church as well as a pro-muslim, pro-Hamas church for twenty years, and didn't notice it until FOXNews pointed it out to him.
Really? Show me how his church was racist, anti-white, anti-American and anti-semitic.
Is he really pro-muslim I thought he was a christian.

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He associates with known terrorists unapologetically.
Give us a list of the known terrorists he associates with.

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His Father was anti-American, his step-father was anti-American, and his mother was anti-American, so is it any wonder why he is anti-American?
Ok, show us how his family was so anti-american.

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His wife is anti-American, and was never proud of her country until recently.
I thought she said REALLY. Now I am willing to bet money that you don't have a clue what experiences his wife has suffered in life, so how can you tell us how she fells when you have never walked in her shoes.

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His is the son of a muslim and associates with and has connection to the Nation of Islam.
Ah, so being the son of a muslim automatically disqualifies you from being a American.
Sen. Byrd was one of the head members of the Klan (the most terrorist org. the world has ever seen), but thats ok because it was American. Now show me what type of crimes the NOI have committed in this country or brutalized, raped and murdered anyone white.

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He is a closet drug user and possibly homosexual.
Asinine and cowardly.

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He thinks white people "cling" to their guns and their religion.
Well do they?

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Other than the above mentioned problems and several other unmentioned ones, I don't agree with him on any of the issues, and he is and was the most inexperienced candidates the democrats offered up, and the democrats chose him because they thought it would be cute to go with the black guy this time so they could demonstrate the diversity of their thinking and wanted to prove this time they are not racists at all.
Now it is easy to make weak azz, blanket statements about someone. Here comes the hard part prove all of the above you just said.



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He's a democrat and a liberal.. thats reason enough.
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Nice strawman.

That being said, you're a minority, and people like you never change their mind and will never decide an election.
As a conservative I believe that the purpose of government is to protect the rights and freedom of the minority no matter what they think. People need to be protected from the tyranny of mob rule. The masses cannot tell me what to think. I have my own opinion that I base on logic defined by the pursuit of my own self interest and by the principle of equality and to do unto others what I would have one do unto myself. Obama rejects these beliefs and thinks that the majority in this country, the "people" if you will, deserve to dictate what the "elites" in society want. A great example is Obama's proposed hike in the capital gains tax. By denying people's right to their property, he not only denies them their freedom, but it is at the bequest of the "common man," that, in pure Rousseauian terms, is the general will, which Obama claims to represent, the essence of a totalitarian dictator. While a hike in the capital gains tax would hurt the economy to the point where the government, and all of the people in the country, would lose money (and he knows it, and admits it, ) he does it "for the purpose of fairness." I think most people in the country would, if properly informed, favor a tax system in which those who contribute the greatest percent of their wealth to investments which stimulate the economy and bring greater wealth to all Americans have a lower tax than those who use more of their money for living expenses.
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Why would you nlot vote for Obama?

What is the primary reason that you are against Obama ?

Is it race ?
His skin color ? Is it too light ? Too dark ?
His political positions and if so what specifically ?
The fact that he is a Christian?
His gender ?
His patriotism ? If so specifically what ?
Is it because he cannot bowl to save his life ?
I am curious because I am not against Obama I am just for McCain.
It is not :

Race
Gender
Skin Color
His religion
His patriotism
His lack of bowling skill

It is just that he is an unknown quantity.
What does he really stand for?'
He says a lot of nothing, probably because he is a lawyer, but what a politician says is never a good barometer for what he will do!!!

What has he done in his Senatoe Career? Voted rarely, but always hyper liberal. That is enough reason for me to say no thanks!!!
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'Collectivist', 'big government', what else do you mean? Habit I've noticed of posters of the conservative persuasion on this forum is a particular tendency toward branding anyone not totally in lockstep with your own views is instantly a 'communist', 'socialist' or some other overdramatic name.
Collectivist is what Obama would be. Wanting government to solve the problems is the action he wants to take.

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Somehow because Obama would use government power if he became President, he is instantly a 'collectivist'.
If you could provide evidence to prove he is 100% an individualist I'll concede to your point.

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I'd like to tell you something friend, the world in general and politics in particular is a very diverse thing, in Europe for example or even in my own country we do not see government is bad but that it can be useful for solving problems, we don't elect a government with the hope that government will shrink itself into nothing and try to absolve itself of the responsibility of the mandate we gave it but handing everything away to the private sector.
Government is bad. Government doesn't solve problems.

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Talk to an average person, they don't want their government sold away into nothingness. The anti-government trend in America is truly disturbing because what it will eventually lead to is a completely atomized society where everyone is completely alone and their is no sense of the commons. What you end up with is the 'core' of government, basically emergency services (police, fire, ambulance) and the military, things which if privatized threaten the very soul of what we are as a society or nation, and yet in America even this 'core' is not safe.
Limited government is the best way to go. Thus, it can't be too terribly corrupt and incompetent and intruding on our lives.
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1.Lack of exprience.
2.Lack of Merit
3.Going to a racist church for 20 years.
4.Being friends with a known terrorist
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Collectivist is what Obama would be. Wanting government to solve the problems is the action he wants to take.
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If you could provide evidence to prove he is 100% an individualist I'll concede to your point.
How does it matter if he isn't an individualist 100%. This is just more proof of my original assertion, that people like you just condemn anyone not totally in lockstep with your ideology as 'communists'. You're as intolerant as hell and can't see through the holes in your 'small-government cult'.

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