You don't need to go beyond politics. He is a big government liberal. You cannot physically deny it.

Reagan was much to far to the left and our country has been that way since Wilson.

See this post: Why Obama's Policies Will Ruin the Economy

Oh, so you're proposing more spending. Name one underregulated industry and it'll be an overregulated one.

That would kill millions of people in the third world, mostly blacks and asians but what does Obama care about. The white polar bears of course.

Are you proposing that we just leave them in that mess?

It is not a logical argument to say that "because they promised to shrink government and they didn't, Obama will promise to expand government and then shrink it."

Reagan was of the left, he increased government, and Obama is in the same mold. He has promised hundreds of billions in new spending and he won't actually pull out of Iraq, so the money will be spent even faster.

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No, he was clearly a Republican, and, therefore, of the right.

He just demagogued folks with "small government" rhetoric, an approach still exploited by the current president, who also increased spending and the debt, while at the same time saying government can't work.

As long as we're spending, we might as well have leaders that at least believe in the idea that the government can work.

There's some good ole liberal logic for ya right there, because left and right are defined by the whims of the two political parties in America. So are you saying McCain is of the right? He clearly is a big government, environmentalist, anti-capitalist liberal like yourself and a republican, so clearly he is of the right. If this is true then there is no difference between left and right in America.

So he did the EXACT thing that Obama is doing today. Attack the Republican administration for its big government policies in order to get elected while supporting a bigger government policy.

Government can work quite effectively, for its own benefit. That's the law of incentive, and the government has different interests than I do.

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Did you vote for Reagan? Was his support not among the right? He was "of the right," because he came from the party of the right, was supported by the right.

It's not my fault he made a monkey out of those who supported him. Most still do.


Yes, in the sense that he is from the party on the right, his support comes from the right.

Besides, he flip-flopped all of his liberal views. The problem is, unlike reagan and bush, people aren't likely to believe anything he says.

The difference is: Republicans spend more, predominantly on military industry, and tax less, creating a greater debt.

If you're looking for a truly smaller government, may I suggest Dubai?

They're always looking for slave-laborers...


Not really. One can see a national health insurance program as "big government" but most people would rather the government do that, than waste money on a Dumb War.

What Bush does is different, in that he spends more money without trying to fix the problem, often in schemes to make contributors exceedingly wealthy, re: his reading program.

Every libertarian is a self-anointed, wannabe philosopher-king.

The problem for them is that other people exist, and this is a democratic republic.

And, most other people have a greater sense of altruism.

That's why libertarians have absolutely no power in the federal government.

You obviously know what the right stands for, but you deny it because you say it doesn't exist and because you want to further your liberal agenda.

Because the right supports big government, big taxes, and strong leaders for todays world.

That makes him even more of a liberal pansy.

So who supports small government? The Democrats?

OOOOhhhhh....


You honestly believe that Obama will pull out?

How does that not make him a liberal?????

Does that make Obama a libertarian?

Oh, because I didn't know that and it is such a big problem. And I doubt you know the principles behind a democratic republic!!!!!!!! [/quote]

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What? I think the right exists, just as the left exists.

I think the right's biggest problem is that they have failed to accomplish the goals at the core of their political philosophy.


The right stands for less taxes, disproportionately for the weatlthy, but, it expands the government, and has created the boondoggle of the century in Iraq.

Well, I don't know. I give McCain credit for balls, although little else.

What it means is: he's probably going to lose.


Supposedly the Republicans. The problem is, when they have power, they expand the government, and take on tasks of building other, arbitrary nations, while at the same time claiming the government should not, or can't, do this at home.

So, it can't just be the leaders who should be blamed for the inability of the party to actualize it's supposed agenda, it's the people who actually believe the leaders are going to do it.

By the end of his first term, I think we'll have minimal troops in Iraq; less than 20,000, to protect our embassy.

That's for Republican voters to figure out; I'm just highlighting the conundrum.

Clearly, not.

I know that compromise and pragmatism are necessary to any action in such a system, and that severe ideological frameworks, like libertarianism, fail because most people do not have severe ideological frameworks.

Thank you, and I agree. But this does not mean that you can claim that the leaders of the right in America are the definition of rightism.


The right stands for less taxes, and if you want to say disproportionately for the wealthy, then I won't argue. I think we went through that on Why Obama's Policies Will Ruin the Economy
Because of Iraq and Bush's big government policies many people now think this is what the right stands for, but this is not the case. Conservatives look to the traditions of the founding fathers, who wanted government to be as small as possible and included devices in the structure of government to prevent its expansion. Many of these mechanisms were lost during the Civil War, and then the two world wars, and now that the right wing has come back into power, they have inhereted this big government tradition. Unfortunately, few of the right wing politicians are doing anything to change this. Do you know why? Because they are the ones who run the government, and therefore, they like their government to be big.

Iraq is a matter of national security, or at least it was at first when we thought they had WMD. Now it is a peace keeping mission in its essence, because its our fault they no longer have a government and it is therefore our responsibility to protect them from our previous actions.

After Bush, I think its probably a good thing for him, and that he's going to win.

[quote]Supposedly the Republicans. The problem is, when they have power, they expand the government, and take on tasks of building other, arbitrary nations, while at the same time claiming the government should not, or can't, do this at home.[quote]

See what I said on Iraq

Many Republicans are at fault. I agree.

That will still cost a lot of money, and it may cause more troops having to be sent costing more money than it would have been to just stay there.

I really don't think you understand the principles behind a Federalist, democratic-republic. While compromise and pragmatism are necessary to take any action, the goal is to limit the action of the government. People are not supposed to compromise their principles.

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[quote=White Fox;520316]Thank you, and I agree. But this does not mean that you can claim that the leaders of the right in America are the definition of rightism.




The right stands for less taxes, and if you want to say disproportionately for the wealthy, then I won't argue. I think we went through that on Why Obama's Policies Will Ruin the Economy
Because of Iraq and Bush's big government policies many people now think this is what the right stands for, but this is not the case. Conservatives look to the traditions of the founding fathers, who wanted government to be as small as possible and included devices in the structure of government to prevent its expansion. Many of these mechanisms were lost during the Civil War, and then the two world wars, and now that the right wing has come back into power, they have inhereted this big government tradition. Unfortunately, few of the right wing politicians are doing anything to change this. Do you know why? Because they are the ones who run the government, and therefore, they like their government to be big.

Iraq is a matter of national security, or at least it was at first when we thought they had WMD. Now it is a peace keeping mission in its essence, because its our fault they no longer have a government and it is therefore our responsibility to protect them from our previous actions.



After Bush, I think its probably a good thing for him, and that he's going to win.

[quote]Supposedly the Republicans. The problem is, when they have power, they expand the government, and take on tasks of building other, arbitrary nations, while at the same time claiming the government should not, or can't, do this at home. Id first like to send some kudos’ in your direction! You have made several statements that I never thought would ever come out of your mouth. You did go hard on your own people (Republicans). I personally do not blame the Republican Party for Iraq! It was the leader of our nation that furnished the false information that mis-lead the entire body politic.

Someone as intelligent as you appear to be can discern between Right and wrong? Let me pose this question to you. If you knew someone who said. "I will kill my wife" and then a week later you go home and see police cars in front of that guys house. Days later you find out that some intruder came in and killed his wife. What would your first thought be? This goes hand and hand with the Iraq war. Bush said he would not waste the opportunity to go into Iraq and low and behold where are we now. Mind you this was before 911.

You did contradict your earlier statements in other threads that the right and republicans stand for small government. The first step to recovery is admitting you have a problem!

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I voted for Obama in the NC primary. My vote decides all, good bye Clinton. We've had enough of her/him for his 8 year term. Just like we've had enough of Bush and his bull. we don't need McCain in there following his steps. So I say give the man a chance. Don't be so racist on him, there's a 25-50 percent chance he's half the same color as you, lol.

Just so the man doesn't get in there and act a fool and start taking our religious freedom away or any other right than he's fine. Bush has got the economy all screwed up.

300 billion to a country that didn't benefit us. wonder why our dollar has went down in value?

What false information?


He finally got the old (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)!



God Bless George Bush!

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