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Obama is a demagogue. He wants to establish an authoritarian state where no one is poor, no matter how lazy, where everyone has healthcare, regardless of whether or not they want to pay for it. He is a populist, and tells people what people want (such as hope) so that he can get elected, regardless of whether what he says is true. He is a socialist, and has openly admitted to wanting to ruin the economy "for the purpose of fairness." He wants your money. He's anti-American. Hamas openly supports him. His economic policies are not policies, they're attempts to get elected. He wants people to be dependent on the government for their wellbeing so that they will continue to support his regime and won't elect him out of office. Basically, he is a multi-culturist, anti-militant, internationalist Hitler, and someone try to prove me wrong.
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obama's name sounds african barack obama just as I thought rudy.liani was from italy

no he was given a loan just like Hillary not individually

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Just because Obama does not say that he wants to establish an authoritarian state does not mean that the things he has proposed aren't reflections of that desire.

He wants everybody in the country to have government paid healthcare.
That would require you not to be able to refuse, and would require you to pay for it whether you liked it or not. It would also require you to pay for other people's healthcare. Once again, you have no choice. It's authoritarianism. Anything other than plain and free civil liberties, small government that protects civil liberties, and pure capitalist economics is authoritarianism because the government uses its power to force individuals to comply with their demands. Democrats are the party of big government, big spending, and big taxes. Barack is no exception.
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barack has b.o.
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Just because Obama does not say that he wants to establish an authoritarian state does not mean that the things he has proposed aren't reflections of that desire.
Then it is up to you to offer evidence of this sinister allegation...

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He wants everybody in the country to have government paid healthcare.
Actually, he wants everybody to have access to health insurance. He won't force anybody into a national insurance program, but a national program will exist that people can chose to take part in. He's not talking about forcing anybody to do anything.

So, no evidence of authoritarianism, there.

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That would require you not to be able to refuse, and would require you to pay for it whether you liked it or not. It would also require you to pay for other people's healthcare. Once again, you have no choice. It's authoritarianism.
Except that you've completely confused Obama's healthcare plan, with Hillary's.

So, no dice.

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Anything other than plain and free civil liberties, small government that protects civil liberties, and pure capitalist economics is authoritarianism because the government uses its power to force individuals to comply with their demands.
Regulation does not equal authoritarianism.

Secret courts; warrantless searches, secret torture; those are signs of authoritarianism, and things McCain/GOP supports.

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Democrats are the party of big government, big spending, and big taxes. Barack is no exception.
Republicans actually spend more. They tax the middle class more, and it's republicans who have increased the national debt.


It seems you use the term "authoritarian" for any government regulation.

By your standards, every president of this country has been "authoritarian."

In this way, your definition and your claim is false.

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I would like one person posting here to give me one example of something Obama has said or done that is not authoritarian. I would also like someone to come up with one major issue that he has been campaigning on that is not authoritarian.

Do not answer me with something like "McCain is authoritarian too" because I KNOW
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Hillary's health care plan will have safe guards same with gas prices
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I would like one person posting here to give me one example of something Obama has said or done that is not authoritarian.
Cutting taxes for the middle class.

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I would also like someone to come up with one major issue that he has been campaigning on that is not authoritarian.
He believes in reproductive rights, and doesn't want an authoritarian government to tell women what to do with their wombs.

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Not only is McCain authoritarian too, it's arguable that he's much more authoritarian.
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Hillary believes in womens rights too duh of course she would
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Hillary believes in womens rights too duh of course she would
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