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Women are voting for Hillary Im voting for Hillary Im irish, german, mexican, french

Hispanics, germans are voting for Hillary, or Mccain

how in the heck is obama winning when he clearly is not
Clearly Huh! I suggest windex for your T.V. screen.
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Authoritarianism has to be secret? Wow, that's news to me. There is virtually no difference in the two healthcare plans. Your taxes are going to pay for even if you don't get the benefits, but that would be retarded. And I knew McCain was and authoritarian liberal but I never knew he supported secret courts, warrantless searches, and secret torture. This is just some crack-pot liberal conspiracy and I'm surprised it wasn't on Rev. Wright's list of conspiracies such as the US gov inventing HIV as a tool of genocide and 9/11 being the government's fault.



Closet liberals (Deflect!) in the Republican party spend more. True conservatives support small government, low taxes, a balanced budget, and limited regulation of the economy. (True conservatives dont exsist any longer - see Barry Goldwater) Liberals like to spend money on domestic plans, tax people to get money for these domestic plans, and regulate the economy for the good of all. (Thats great news , I like those kind of people. Together we stand divided we fall!)
It seems your definition is Nazism (Check your definition book again and or look in the mirror) and nothing else.



Every president since [b]Wilson my friend[/B].( Woodrow Wilson was your freind? How old are you?) G Washington was not, and neither were Jefferson or Cleavland.


Your definition and your claim are false. Now prove me wrong.
Once again , Nonsense can not be quantified by fact or fiction , it is explained by a medical exam involving a cat scan!
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Once again , Nonsense can not be quantified by fact or fiction , it is explained by a medical exam involving a cat scan!
Your saying that "United we stand, divided we fail." How is this not the classic definition of authoritarianism or Fascism? Mussolini defined fascism as "everything in the state, nothing outside of the state, nothing against the state." Your saying that we have to stand together, and that's what the state should be, and that we cannot be outside of it or against it. You also claim in what you added to my quote that I (a true conservative) no longer exist. What great nonsense we have there because I can tell you I support small government, low taxes, natural rights, a balanced budget, and limited government interference in the economy or in people's lives. You're a so much more a Nazi than I am, just like Wilson, who was very much not my friend.

And in the future, please don't add your commentary in my quote. Separate them for clarity.
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Your saying that "United we stand, divided we fail." How is this not the classic definition of authoritarianism or Fascism? Mussolini defined fascism as "everything in the state, nothing outside of the state, nothing against the state." Your saying that we have to stand together, and that's what the state should be, and that we cannot be outside of it or against it. You also claim in what you added to my quote that I (a true conservative) no longer exist. What great nonsense we have there because I can tell you I support small government, low taxes, natural rights, a balanced budget, and limited government interference in the economy or in people's lives. You're a so much more a Nazi than I am, just like Wilson, who was very much not my friend.

And in the future, please don't add your commentary in my quote. Separate them for clarity.
I have figured you out! You deal in absolutes. The united we stand divided we fall, first of all is a saying. What it means is we need to all stand together or we will fail (Example: the country wants our boys out of a civil war in Iraq.) You don’t want that. You would rather define words and assign them to people so that they fit into your little bubble of how people are. I hear you speaking about the conservative mantra "Small government, small taxes and the lot; But what if that dynamic has past? What if due to the massive expansion of world markets and the need to reign in corporate corruption and hundreds of other factors that go hand in hand with our nations heath make it so there cannot be what you define as "Small Government " What will you do? What will be your new position? Will you re-define conservatism? You spend tons of time chasing the same conclusion in long paragraphs you could simple label as a rhetorical merry-go-round. You’re simple. Its either they are Nazi's (Not Conservatives) Socialist (Not conservatives), Marxist (Not conservative), Authoritative (Not conservatives) Black people (Not conservative -even if they are!)

Finally! Obviously my ancestors are not from America. My Grand mother was from Poland and during the Second World War; her people were forced into refuge camps due to the Nazi's so I take violent offense to you calling me one! There is no comparison for that comment!

Here's something that you might find interesting. Many different people's ended up in refuge camps , some were camps with Christian clergy and other wound up in camps where there was Islamic influence.(Slavic region) What if my Grandmother converted to Islam and I was raised Islam. What would your opinion or the world opinion be of me? It’s all chance!

P.S. Ill respond to post in any way that I like! Especially Yours! You have been weighed & measured!
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So my facts are now "absolutes"? It's easy to see where the logic of "united we stand, divided we fail" leads. Failing is bad. Therefore it is bad to be divided because then we fail. We must therefore be united. But what if someone does not want to unite? Then are they to be forced to unite under the logic of "what right do you have to make us fail?" That is how you use that logic to take away the freedom of the individual.

Even small government can control corruption, they're actually better than big governments at it, due to a smaller bureaucracy and less control over economic sectors. Perhaps you are thinking of international organizations such as the WTO? In this case the government can control what is happening inside its borders, and it can work together with other government to curb international organizations. You think there are hundreds of factors like this that could make small government obsolete? Please expand. And then consider the consequences of big government. Tyranny, oppression, poverty, and corruption come to mind.

And you don't like me saying that your views are similar to Hitler's? What if I said Obama (or Rev. Wright) was a racist. Would that be unacceptable even if it was true just because they are black?

If you were Muslim, I would not base my opinions of you on that.
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He also supports increasing the capital gains tax to 28%
Taxes have to come from somewhere. Better it be those that can afford it, than to put the burden on the middle class.

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There is no "Right to life" guaranteed in the constitution, and your attempts to govern medical decisions are an example of your own unreasonable framework.

If there was a "right to life" then it would be the government's duty to make sure nobody ever dies, which, obviously, is impossible.

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I know he's authoritarian (he's a closet liberal), but prove that he's more authoritarian.
He's willing to suspend 4th amendment. He's willing to torture. He wants to tell women what to do with their bodies.


Obama wouldn't do any of these things.

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Women are voting for Hillary Im voting for Hillary Im irish, german, mexican, french

Hispanics, germans are voting for Hillary, or Mccain

how in the heck is obama winning when he clearly is not
The quoted post is not an example of math, logic, and rational thinging skills right !!!! LOL
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Taxes have to come from somewhere. Better it be those that can afford it, than to put the burden on the middle class.
GO HERE Why Obama's Policies Will Ruin the Economy

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There is no "Right to life" guaranteed in the constitution, and your attempts to govern medical decisions are an example of your own unreasonable framework.
THIS IS THE BASIS OF HUMAN CIVILITY IN GOVERNMENT, READ LOCKE. EVERYONE HAS THE RIGHT TO LIFE, LIBERTY, AND PROPERTY. THESE ARE THE PRINCIPLES OUR CONSTITUTION IS BASED ON. READ IT!!!!

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If there was a "right to life" then it would be the government's duty to make sure nobody ever dies, which, obviously, is impossible.
It means no one can take away your life. Sheesh.

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He's willing to suspend 4th amendment. He's willing to torture. He wants to tell women what to do with their bodies.
We are not here to discuss the extremely liberal policies of Sen. John McCain, you are deliberately trying to change the subject away from Obama.


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Obama wouldn't do any of these things.
Please don't tell me that Obama would not tax us or take away the right to life of unborn children. Maybe he won't violate some of our rights, but that we are talking about the one's he will. And I repeat, we are not here to talk about McCain.
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Taxes have to come from somewhere. Better it be those that can afford it, than to put the burden on the middle class.
I bet you didn't know that about 36% of those who reported capital gains in 2006 had an adjusted gross income of less than $50,000. Screw the rich, right? Fairness is everything. Who cares if capital gains revenues actually decrease?
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