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Old 05-09-2008, 11:28 AM
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BTW, Buffett is lying when he says his secretary pays 32% in federal income tax on an income of 60K. Even if she is single with no deductions, the most she paid was 19%.
Speaking of Buffett...

Did he ever scratch that check to make up for the millions he didn't pay in taxes (allegedly) that he should of, or is he still gleefully "beating the system?"

Why didn't the democrats crucify this guy, after admitting that??
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Speaking of Buffett...

Did he ever scratch that check to make up for the millions he didn't pay in taxes (allegedly) that he should of, or is he still gleefully "beating the system?"

Why didn't the democrats crucify this guy, after admitting that??
why would the democrats crucify someone for speaking the truth ... that crucifixion for truth telling is best left with the (post Goldwater) republicans.

anyway, Judge Learned Hand said it best:

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possible; he is not bound to choose that pattern which best pays the
treasury. There is not even a patriotic duty to increase one's taxes.
Over and over again the Courts have said that there is nothing sinister
in so arranging affairs as to keep taxes as low as possible. Everyone
does it, rich and poor alike and all do right, for nobody owes any
public duty to pay more than the law demands."
so, while Warren Buffett shares his financial wisedom with a nation which refuses to listen to it, he has no obligation to act against his self interest (which dumb behavior is yet another post-Goldwater republican trait)
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Here's another thing that I think will help demonstrate this. It's called the Laffer Curve, and you may have heard of it before. Basically, this is how it works. If a government has a 100% tax or a 0% tax, it won't make any money at all. But obviously there is a place somewhere where the government can make money. So this creates a curve, the Laffer Curve, and somewhere along the curve is a place where the government makes the maximum amount of money. Nobody knows where this is, as economics is a very complex science, but it has become clearer in modern times and we get closer to finding it everyday as the economy shifts and tax rates change. However, the Bush tax cuts have given us very valuable insight into this, because government revenues increased in general, not just because of the capital gains cut. Unfortunately, new ideas like this are not always immediately put into effect, and public opinion has more to say on actual policies than science.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laffer_curve

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Laffer-Curve.svg

Please not that this curve is not to scale. A 50% tax is not the maximum, but this helps to illustrate the concept. A libertarian economist had this to say about the concept, ""In the United States the recent advances in tax rates produced only negligible revenue results beyond what would be produced by a progression which stopped at much lower rates."

With the national debt topping 4 trillion dollars, I propose that the government try to find this through very small changes in the tax rate over a large period of time, until it is found and the government gets as much money as possible. Then, when the budget is balanced, we can further reduce taxes to let people get as much of their money as possible. It seems like a simple solution to me, and even then, liberals who want government programs to help the poor should stick to the optimum on the Laffer Curve. An optimum which we can safely assume, is around the lower taxes that Bush has given us. So liberals should support these tax cuts, instead of calling them "irresponsible" as Obama has done.
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Now that you mention it I can't recall seeing any economists saying Obamas economic plans are good or even smart.
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Now that you mention it I can't recall seeing any economists saying Obamas economic plans are good or even smart.
that's because economists do not reduce their efforts into comic book form
if you would access something with text it would enlighten you to more than just what the cartoonists are drawing
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I think Obama was already face down in the dirt before Wright started to jump on top of him (Hilary is also in this cartoon. However, due to the fact that she is six feet under, you will not be seeing her anytime soon).
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Interesting that you chose to post this in a thread discussing economic policy; perhaps it's a bit disingenuous to link Rev. Wright to Obama's economic policies, don't you agree?
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Interesting that you chose to post this in a thread discussing economic policy; perhaps it's a bit disingenuous to link Rev. Wright to Obama's economic policies, don't you agree?
Perhaps its aimed at justabubbas stupid comment?


I don't expect much from you people..but thinking when reading for half a (*)(*)(*)(*) second isn't that much to ask.





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I don't really think McCain would do much better. Why was that Romney guy so unpopular? He looked like a good choice for President from what I saw of him.
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