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Old 08-21-2004, 11:23 AM
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Are you actually trying to say that the reason Chris Matthews ridiculed this woman is because she is Asian? Cmon man.

She tried to make allegations that John Kerry shot hiself with NOTHING ORE THAN HERESAY BULL****. Maybe all that 'some people say' crap flies on Fox, but not everywhere.

There is NO evidence to support those claims. She was trying to float a story that wasnt true, and Matthews called her on it.

The issue here is not her race. It has nothing to do with it. It wouldnt matter if she was green, she still tried to spew non-factual crap, and she got called on it.

Now you try and convince me how this has ANYTHING to do with race.
Are you saying that Chris Matthews is not allowed to grill this chick because she is asian? THAT is racist. People are equal, and should be equally criticized for being morons.
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Old 08-21-2004, 11:34 AM
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Are you actually trying to say that the reason Chris Matthews ridiculed this woman is because she is Asian? Cmon man.

She tried to make allegations that John Kerry shot hiself with NOTHING ORE THAN HERESAY BULL****. Maybe all that 'some people say' crap flies on Fox, but not everywhere.

There is NO evidence to support those claims. She was trying to float a story that wasnt true, and Matthews called her on it.

The issue here is not her race. It has nothing to do with it. It wouldnt matter if she was green, she still tried to spew non-factual crap, and she got called on it.

Now you try and convince me how this has ANYTHING to do with race.
Are you saying that Chris Matthews is not allowed to grill this chick because she is asian? THAT is racist. People are equal, and should be equally criticized for being morons.
That is the point Sinaju (or whatever it is) is trying to make. See how low we have gone?
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Sinaju insists that anyone who dares ask an Asian-American women who is attempting float a false story that Kerry shot himself to get Purple Hearts is a liberal racist republican hater. So based upon that perverted definition I must be a 'liberal racist republican hating McCain supporting think for myself and self-hating Vietnam Vet' because
I have the unmitigated gall and uppity presumptuousity to ask for proof for allegations made against a fellow Vietnam Vet - Kerry.

And that nasty man Chris Matthews ridiculed a woman because she is she attempted to pass a ridiculous allegation past a seasoned interviewer.

If Michelle Maklin wants to pass bovine fecal mater as fact she should only appear on BBC - Bush Broadcasting Corporation ie Fox network shows because real Networks will ask for proof in support of allegations made by anyone against anyone.

So if cannot think for yourself just keep watching Fox they will tell you what to think otherwise you may hear the truth elsewhere and you will not be able to handle it.
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Old 08-22-2004, 06:55 AM
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It wasn't ever going to influence YOU.. you would vote for Kerry if he was found with a needle in his arm, a dead hooker, 2 kilos of blow, in a church baptismal.

The race issue will be addressed by asians and non-whites.. i bet if they are polled before and after you will see a difference.
..and she thinks that Malkin is out of her tree....

Tell me again how as a white man married to a brown-skinned Fillipina I don't understand how the race card is being used here....
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loves Michelle Malkin, and I think Chris Matthews was out of line. I don't care if she was old, white, male and fat, if he can't keep control of himself, he doesn't belong on the air.

He's incredibly disrespectful. And could greatly benefit from a logic class since he relied heavily upon the strawman fallacy...

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I don't think "race" has a thing to do with this entire subject.

Chris was rude. But then Chris is always rude. He talks over people......talks like a machine-gun, and tries to put words in people's mouths. Other than that, he's okay.

And he's so much in the Kerry camp that he's lost all objectivity. If he ever had any to start with.
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Default And of course being a Fillipina she bears no grudges

..towards the Japanese right? In her apologist book she claims that it (U.S. concentration camps for Japanese-Americans) was the right thing to do....Now the fact that the Japanese routinely committed atrocities on the people of the Philippines during WWII has NOTHING to do with it, right?

I'm not buying that...not for a second...

She is a paid, partisan hack who got caught trying to float a lie and got smacked down...I don't care if Chris Matthews was a black, blind, paraplegic hermaphrodite, what he did was absolutely spot on..Race has bugger all to do with it...She was caught red-handed and got embarrassed on national TV..
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Okay you guys. I saw the episode on television and later read this thread. I stayed away from replying because I saw how people seeing this same thing can come back with opposing ideas of the interview. I've heard two other talk shows about this interview and following comments. Finally, I went to MSNBC, and got the transcript. The link to it is:http://www.msnbc.com/id/5765243
A portion of the interview is posted below. From reading it, you can decide for yourself. My opinion... I'll offer at the end.


MATTHEWS: What do you mean by self-inflicted? Are you saying he shot himself on purpose? Is that what you‘re saying?

MALKIN: Did you read the book...

MATTHEWS: I‘m asking a simple question. Are you saying that he shot himself on purpose.

MALKIN: I‘m saying some of these soldiers...

MATTHEWS: And I‘m asking question.

MALKIN: And I‘m answering it.

MATTHEWS: Did he shoot himself on purpose.

MALKIN: Some of the soldiers have made allegations that these were self-inflicted wounds.

MATTHEWS: No one has ever accused him of shooting himself on purpose.

MALKIN: That these were self-inflicted wounds.

MATTHEWS: Your saying there are—he shot himself on purpose, that‘s a criminal act?

MALKIN: I‘m saying that I‘ve read the book and some of the...

(CROSSTALK)

MATTHEWS: I want an answer yes or no, Michelle.

MALKIN: Some of the veterans say...

MATTHEWS: No. No one has every accused him of shooting himself on purpose.

MALKIN: Yes. Some of them say that.

MATTHEWS: Tell me where that...

MALKIN: Self-inflicted wounds—in February, 1969.

MATTHEWS: This is not a show for this kind of talk. Are you accusing him of shooting himself on purpose to avoid combat or to get credit?

MALKIN: I‘m saying that‘s what some of these...

MATTHEWS: Give me a name.

MALKIN: Patrick Runyan (ph) and William Zeldonaz (ph).

MATTHEWS: They said—Patrick Runyan...

MALKIN: These people have...

MATTHEWS: And they said he shot himself on purpose to avoid combat or take credit for a wound?

MALKIN: These people have cast a lot of doubt on whether or not...

MATTHEWS: That‘s cast a lot of doubt. That‘s complete nonsense.

MALKIN: Did you read the section in the book...

MATTHEWS: I want a statement from you on this program, say to me right, that you believe he shot himself to get credit for a purpose of heart.

MALKIN: I‘m not sure. I‘m saying...

MATTHEWS: Why did you say?

MALKIN: I‘m talking about what‘s in the book.

MATTHEWS: What is in the book. Is there—is there a direct accusation in any book you‘ve ever read in your life that says John Kerry ever shot himself on purpose to get credit for a purple heart? On purpose?

MALKIN: On.

MATTHEWS: On purpose? Yes or no, Michelle.

MALKIN: In the February 1969 -- in the February 1969 event.

MATTHEWS: Did he say on it purpose.

MALKIN: There are doubts about whether or not it was intense rifle fire or not. And I wish you would ask these questions of John Kerry instead of me.

MATTHEWS: I have never heard anyone say he shot himself on purpose.

I haven‘t heard you say it.

MALKIN: Have you tried to ask—have you tried ask John Kerry these questions?

MATTHEWS: If he shot himself on purpose. No. I have not asked him that.

MALKIN: Don‘t you wonder?

MATTHEWS: No, I don‘t. It‘s never occurred to me.

So there it is. I think Chris Matthews is off the hook. I like Chris. I own two of his books. I like the fact that he keeps people off balance and goes for the answer. I feel that what he did in THIS case was beyond that. Here's a couple of things you will hopefully see:
1. She never said she thought Kerry shot himself. She never admitted that in any way. Chris says so, but that was him trying to get her to admit and/or agree, which she never said she did. She tried to tell him what the book says, but he wanted to hear her say it. He was trying to put words in her mouth.
2. Chris hasn't read the book. He evaded her question when she asked him, plus she has talked on other shows about this interview. When she finished the browbeating with him, she went to her dressing room where Chris's staff was pouring over her copy of "Unfit for Command". Apparently he had wanted them to check it to see if what she was saying was correct, and he didn't have his own copy.

What I would like to see is Chris going after Kerry the same way. I would like to see him badger John Kerry into answering yes or no questions about many of the questions that are being raised on his service.

Something tells me he won't, despite the fact that Chris will deny being biased.
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Catz meo said ' I think Chris Matthews was out of line. I don't care if she was old, white, male and fat, if he can't keep control of himself, he doesn't belong on the air. He's incredibly disrespectful. And could greatly benefit from a logic class since he relied heavily upon the strawman fallacy...Chris Mathews was just trying to make her back up a allegation. She was not prepared to do so. The name of the show is HARDBALL that's how Chris plays it. The name of the show is not Affirmative Action For The Unprepared[/quote]
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Sentaxflatulus said ' I would like to see him badger John Kerry into answering yes or no questions about many of the questions that are being raised on his service. '

Mathews has no obligation to ask Kerry any questions about the allegations being made against Kerry. Mathews must have gotten frustrated as I get when someone tries to justify a statement by implying or flat out stating that an allegation must be true because it is "in the book". The 'book' as the followers of the anti Kerry like to refer to it is at best a collection of multiple people's perceptions and recollections and at worst a collection of fraudulent allegations. Therefore neither Mathews nor anyone else has to accept any allegation just because it is "in the book'

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