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Should he? If he is pro African centric then he should and it would be Black candidates against White Candidates. We would then really see what race the Americans want in power and finally settle that issue.
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We would then really see what race the Americans want in power and finally settle that issue.
Is that an important issue for you?

Is a person's race more important than the person?
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Is that an important issue for you?

Is a person's race more important than the person?
Its both. It matters a lot.
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Should he? If he is pro African centric then he should and it would be Black candidates against White Candidates. We would then really see what race the Americans want in power and finally settle that issue.
Obama should choose the right person for the job, regardless of skin color.
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No because the racial message that would send would make the Wright issue explode!~~~!!!
It would be viewed as if Jesse and Al where running together.


In fact chosing anyone non-white for Obama would likely be a disaster.


He needs to find some slimey white leftist who can shroud his policy in catchy tunes but feels guilty and likes to hunt....


Course he could chose either of these and implode


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Its both.
So, you judge a person, at least in part, by the color of their skin.

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To you, I'm sure it does...

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He should pick whoever he feels is the best person for the job.

Now from a political stand point if I were him I would pick a white person simply because he is seriously hurting in that demographic.

I still say Al Gore is the perfect choice for him if he could get Gore to accept.
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No. He should pick a latino - Richardson in particular. If he could get latinos to vote for him in large numbers he would hardly even need the white vote at all. Black + latinos = almost 30% of Americans and if you are getting 90% of black vote and 70-80% of the latino vote you would only need about 30% of the white vote.

90% of blacks = 35.1 million

80% of latinos = 38.4 million

70% of multi-racial = 16.8 million

40% of Asians = 4.8 million

30% of whites = 66.6 million

Total = 161.7 million and that is more then half the population which is about 300 million.

If Obama wins he will need the demographics to look something like that and I think he has more chance of winning with a Obama/Richardson ticket then trying to win a larger percentage of the white vote. Democrats historically don't win the white vote e.g. Clinton in 1992 only won 39% of the white vote but 81% of the black and 61% of the hispanic vote.

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No. He should pick a latino - Richardson in particular. If he could get latinos to vote for him in large numbers he would hardly even need the white vote at all. Black + latinos = almost 30% of Americans and if you are getting 90% of black vote and 70-80% of the latino vote you would only need about 30% of the white vote.

90% of blacks = 35.1 million

80% of latinos = 38.4 million

70% of multi-racial = 16.8 million

40% of Asians = 4.8 million

30% of whites = 66.6 million

Total = 161.7 million and that is more then half the population which is about 300 million.

If Obama wins he will need the demographics to look something like that and I think he has more chance of winning with a Obama/Richardson ticket then trying to win a larger percentage of the white vote. Democrats historically don't win the white vote e.g. Clinton in 1992 only won 39% of the white vote but 81% of the black and 61% of the hispanic vote.

The latino vote isnt like the black vote. There isnt any guarantee that he would get anywhere near the figure you posted.

I remember seeing quite a few reports after the 2004 election that showed that Bush won something like 46-48% of the hispanic vote.

(Here is a link to a Dick Morris article I just googled and found where he claims Bush got 45%)

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/...4/203450.shtml

Your figures from 1992 are probably accurate, but that was a long time ago and alot has changed. The hispanic community seems to have gone further towards the right than compared to the left.

Alot of them also really like John McCain because his immigration bill was viewed as pretty soft on illegal immigration. Even called "amnesty" by some conservatives. On the flip side they also do NOT like Barack Obama at all and the voting has reflected that. Certainly if he added Richardson that would help with SOME of them, but its not going to make a significant enough dent in my opinion to give him the sorts of numbers he is going to need.

The White voters though CAN be brought over to his side. He could do that with Al Gore. The same white democrats who voted for Hillary would like Gore. I've actually seen quite a few polls that showed that Dems would have preferred Gore over either Hillary or Obama. They are still mad about him not winning in 2000 and since then he has kept his name out there with the Global Warming issue. Thats not to mention that he is a proven winner at the job (in democrats eyes, obviously republicans will disagree)

I honestly think that Hillary's voting block would almost entirely go to Obama at that point if he were to add Gore. Besides back in 2000, Gore won 65% of the latino community, so he could possibly bring in some of them as well. It would be the best of both worlds for the Democratic voters....Obama who the black voters, the young voters and the college grad democratic voters love...Combined with Gore who brings in the Clinton block and the Environmentalists and even some of the Green Party type Independents.

That is a "dream ticket" without Obama having to put up with the Clintons.

We dont agree on this, but you raise some interesting points. I dont think he will actually be able to get Gore to do it. But I think its his best bet. Richardson would be decent as well, but I just dont see him getting enough of the hispanic vote with John McCain on the other side to make it a significant enough advantage for them to win.
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I got the 1992 election percentages from this article.

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed..._black_voters/
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