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Old 06-04-2008, 06:03 AM
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If that is true, then McCain should win, as he will get the white vote.
People will vote for McCain because he is centrist and they are tired of extremists! Some blacks, most whites, most Latinos, most Asians, most Jews, and most other Americans will vote Republican. McCain has much broder support simply by not being an extremist!
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People will vote for McCain because he is centrist and they are tired of extremists! Some blacks, most whites, most Latinos, most Asians, most Jews, and most other Americans will vote Republican. McCain has much broder support simply by not being an extremist!
Aren't Republicans known for being anti gay marriage, anti abortion etc?
I wonder how many people would vote him in if he held views against these two subjects...
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Aren't Republicans known for being anti gay marriage, anti abortion etc?
I wonder how many people would vote him in if he held views against these two subjects...
MANY WOULD! I don't know about Australia, but opposition to gay marriage, and abortion are popular stances in the U.S. As I said before, McCain is more centrist than candidates from either party have been in the past few decades. This means that he has softer stances on those issues that some may feel are controversial.
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Hillary made a lot of campaign mistakes. Firstly, she undermined Obama and claimed victory way too quick. She spent way too much money too early. She had helicopters escorting her to places in the same state she was campaigning in, but she could have simply used car. She spent excessively, thinking the campaign would be over by February.

Another mistake was her sniper fire comment. She tried to portray herself as a fighter and someone who can survive while under the barrel of a gun. I like her new image, since as first lady her personality was not known, but she went over board with the Bosnia story. Using Bill Clinton as an asset also proved to not be helpful. He said a lot of controversial things and he campaigned for her in a more personal way then political. He said things that a politician shouldnt say.
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Hillary made a lot of campaign mistakes. Firstly, she undermined Obama and claimed victory way too quick. She spent way too much money too early. She had helicopters escorting her to places in the same state she was campaigning in, but she could have simply used car. She spent excessively, thinking the campaign would be over by February.

Another mistake was her sniper fire comment. She tried to portray herself as a fighter and someone who can survive while under the barrel of a gun. I like her new image, since as first lady her personality was not known, but she went over board with the Bosnia story. Using Bill Clinton as an asset also proved to not be helpful. He said a lot of controversial things and he campaigned for her in a more personal way then political. He said things that a politician shouldnt say.
She was also far too cardboard, like Al Gore. She obviously didn't beleive the crap the party had her saying, so she couldn't sell it. Bill would sell anything for power!
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I dont see where she went down in flames.

I see this as a very close race, that should not be a close race had it not been for the media and the king makers who are so very jealous of the Clintons. They came out of the gate with big support for BO and they have never let up. Who knows why. I really dont see that it has anything to do with BO being more qualified to run the country.

Looks like he will cross the finish line first, but it is Hillary who has run the great race.
That is so wrong its unbelievable. He won against the machine because he's a better candidate, thats it. All the Hillary supporters need to recognize that
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The reason Hillary lost out to Obama was that she was going to officially become President in 2009. Not only did many people see her as a sure bet to win, she herself bought into that view and made several blunders as a result.

The biggest blunder was that she let her handlers put her into robotic candidate mode for the early portion of the race. This was understandable up to the Iowa result (if dumb), but the Hillary we saw in New Hampshire was the one people would vote for - a real person rather than a cardboard cutout. It is amazing that after New Hampshire, the robot reappeared and ran in the race for about 2 more months, before Real Hillary reappeared.

The next-biggest blunder was assuming she'd be way ahead after the first couple of months and not putting the time, effort and money into building election organisations in many of the states having primaries in the next couple of months after that (especially the smaller states). This allowed Obama to really generate momentum by running up a string of primary victories. Near the end of that string the Clinton campaign was panicking (finally!), but they were faced with playing catch-up.

The last blunder was not going after Obama harder, especially earlier in the primaries, out of a fear of being called a racist. This was particularily surprising when the only thing the Clinton campaign could come up with were beefs with mild racial overtones. Couldn't they have pushed the electibility issue sooner, for example, or played the elitist/jane doe card sooner?

It is interesting to note that when Hillary ended up with her back to the wall facing the firing squad, she became a shameless politican ("every vote counts", gas tax holiday, experience, covert racism, etcetera) desperate to claw her way back into the lead. It's rather discouraging to me that when she generally went the low road, she did very well and definitely had an upswing in momentum in the last stages of the primary process.

I'm not sure what to make of Hillary's non-concession. Either she is bargaining for as good a deal as possible from Obama, or she still harbors a hope that she could still get the nomination. The latter would require either a sudden Obama scandal (leaked by her campaign?) causing many superdelegates to switch their support, or a fight at the convention and/or in the courts to get the Michigan and Florida results fully instated with no charity delegates going to Obama.
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if Hillary would have campaigned like she has the last 2 months, she would have swept the nomination away easily...the last 2 months obama has been holding on for dear life.

he is an embarrassment to this country. thank you hillary for showing us that. we appreciate it.
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I dont see where she went down in flames.

I see this as a very close race, that should not be a close race had it not been for the media and the king makers who are so very jealous of the Clintons. They came out of the gate with big support for BO and they have never let up. Who knows why. I really dont see that it has anything to do with BO being more qualified to run the country.

Looks like he will cross the finish line first, but it is Hillary who has run the great race.

No! Down in flames is an understatement!

This was a candidate that was "inevitable" remember? This race was close until February when Barak broke loose and went on a run that was insurmountable, remember that and understand that because it’s the facts!
The Media was against Hillary for a while, but to say it was her only is incorrect. Obama has 24/7 Rev Wright coverage for how many weeks and soon to be kicked off again as we take on McCain. I have never seen a candidate get so much criticism for others people’s actions as I did with Obama. Hillary Lied to the American people and then tried to cover it up with senior moment comments, but later said "I said something that I knew to be untrue" Liar! How can the American people trust that which has been on display for the last 8 years? It seems as thou you’re searching for a reason on how Obama could have taken her spot. The American people want to take a chance on a new fresh face. This man is outside of the girl & boys club of Washington politics and is the only chance to reform our government!
Now its time for her to unify the party! If she doesn’t or tries to divide it further, then you have to judge her on that! How can anyone justify that?
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