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Old 08-26-2004, 07:01 AM
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Default GOP split over gay marriage?

The Republican party has approved a plank that not only seeks a ban on gay marriage, but seeks a ban on recognition of same-sex unions of any kind. Reaction was fierce.

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Christopher Barron of the Log Cabin Republicans, a GOP gay-rights group, was livid after the panel endorsed the first-ever call for a constitutional gay-marriage ban in a GOP platform and went beyond that to oppose legal recognition of any same-sex unions.

"You can't craft a vicious, mean-spirited platform and then try to put lipstick on the pig by putting Rudy Giuliani and Arnold Schwarzenegger on in prime time," he said in an interview.
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"This was a chance to unite the party and demonstrate that the GOP's inclusiveness doesn't end with the prime time speaking lineup," said Ann Stone, chairwoman of Republicans for Choice. "It was their chance to show George Bush as a uniter not a divider, but clearly they have failed."
What do you suppose the Log Cabin Republicans, especially, will do?
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Default I love Cheney's quote:

"With respect to the question of relationships, my general view is that freedom means freedom for everybody,"

That pretty much sums up my views on the gay marriage question.

But let's look at the politics -- in more than a few states, gay marriage is on the same ballot as the Presidential election. It's obvious that this is a wedge issue Republicans hope will benefit Bush in November. It should be just as obvious that come Nov. 3, the urgency of this issue will die a very quick and quiet death.
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Default A ban too far?

I think the "no civil unions" bit will backfire on them. Gay marriage, maybe they had a wedge issue. Extending that ban to "no civil unions" will turn off a lot of people.

I'm REALLY curious what the Log Cabin Republicans will do. The plank pretty much boots them out of the party.
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Default Stay tuned

The Log Cabin folks have threatened to withhold their endorsement from Bush. They have a "major announcement" planned for this week.

Meanwhile, moderate Republicans like N.Y. Gov. George Pataki and Arlen Specter are urging them to stay in the party and fight against the religious right.

It seems clear that the religious right already owns the party at the process level: they wrote the plank on gay marriage. What's left to fight over?
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...the "let the states decide about civil unions, no homosexual marriage" position will carry the day, regardless of planks or fringe groups.
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Default Probably

I agree that it will eventually shake out that way.

You ever notice, though, that the only reason civil unions have become a consensus choice is because of the threat of gay marriage? Back when Vermont first approved civil unions, THAT drew a storm of protest from the anti-gay crowd. Then came gay marriage. Now many in that same crowd are saying "Why do they need marriage? Let them have civil unions."

It sure looks like a fallback position.
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It sure looks like a fallback position.
Morality does seem to be in something of a rear-guard action these days.
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Fair enough. Of course, I don't think being gay or straight has anything to do with morality. But that's an argument on which few minds change.
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