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Old 06-13-2008, 09:23 AM
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Personally I think it is very easy for them to switch if they do not agree with extreme liberal policy towards subsidizing many of the social ills we experience today. His policy towards green energy also appears to be very unrealistic and bogus.

Quite frankly none of the candidates have a good idea for the economy so I don not see how that changes anything. Clinton and Obama both support an economic policy based on demand by distributing wealth back to the poor. This is not going to fix anything. Our national savings rate is negative and we are basically shipping away money and capital to china. Adding money into the pockets of the lower class does not increase saving because it goes from the rich (savers) to the poor (spenders). It does not address anything at all.

In order for McCain to justify taxes remaining the same, he would have to cut government spending, which he does not appear to have any intention of doing.

If a candidate were to stand up and say, "Listen. Most of you have been living above your means for years, and now we need to cut back. To address the fiscally irresponsibility of our federal government, I'm going to raise taxes and cut government spending.", they would probably be attacked.

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His father was an admiral...he had money. Don't even go down that road.
McCain's father was likely an Ensign or Lt. JG (O-1 or O-2) when he was born. McCain was most likely grown and nearly grown when his Dad made Admiral. Then, McCain went into the service himself. You act like he never had to break a sweat.

Do you honestly believe that Admirals are rich? Do you have any idea how military officers live? Of course not. Sheesh. Rich.

Obama went to a private school. What terrible obstacles did he overcome?
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ISSUES! I don't want to know about all that, you have already talked about those things in other threads, keeps this one to POLICIES.
Issues are meaningless if all you get is campaign rhetoric about them! We found that out with Bill Clinton! People simply do not beleive he can or will actually try to act on what he says, and he has no track record to point to to say he will!!!!
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McCain's father was likely an Ensign or Lt. JG (O-1 or O-2) when he was born. McCain was most likely grown and nearly grown when his Dad made Admiral. Then, McCain went into the service himself. You act like he never had to break a sweat.

Do you honestly believe that Admirals are rich? Do you have any idea how military officers live? Of course not. Sheesh. Rich.

Obama went to a private school. What terrible obstacles did he overcome?
Let's see...his SINGLE mother had to work 2 jobs to support him.

He earned a SCHOLARSHIP to the school of which you speak.

He didn't even pay off his college loans until 2006!

And Cindy McCain? John McCain married into a money empire.
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Issues are meaningless if all you get is campaign rhetoric about them! We found that out with Bill Clinton! People simply do not beleive he can or will actually try to act on what he says, and he has no track record to point to to say he will!!!!
He has served for more than 7 years in elected office, and has a long track record of working on healthcare, immigration, ethics reform as well as education and woman's rights.

He was a community organizer before that and has cited many experiences of his that were similar to what he is facing now.

Yes, McCain served and has more foreign policy experience...no one is going to dispute that...but experience does not mean that you are going to make the right choices, or show the best judgement.

You can disagree with Obama, but please stick to his POLICIES. and this thread is for CLINTON SUPPORTERS...which I do not think many of you are!
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Let's see...his SINGLE mother had to work 2 jobs to support him.

He earned a SCHOLARSHIP to the school of which you speak.

He didn't even pay off his college loans until 2006!

And Cindy McCain? John McCain married into a money empire.

Yeah? And other than being half-white and half-black, and the things you mention, what OTHER obstacles did he overcome?
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Let's see...his SINGLE mother had to work 2 jobs to support him.

He earned a SCHOLARSHIP to the school of which you speak.

He didn't even pay off his college loans until 2006!

And Cindy McCain? John McCain married into a money empire.
Although I hear they are going to divorce now that McCain said he'd veto every beer. Sad times.

Saying Obama had it easy is ridiculous. He has it good now, but he had to work very, very hard for it.
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Yeah? And other than being half-white and half-black, and the things you mention, what OTHER obstacles did he overcome?
Hmm...what about fighting to be the first Black president of the Harvard Review

Or...Chicago politics?

I mean seriously...Obama had it just as hard as anyone else in this race
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Let's see...his SINGLE mother had to work 2 jobs to support him.
Oh my. His mother had to work? How horrible for him! Of course it's not true though. Ann Dunham was only single for 2-3 years when Barack was young.

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I'm really glad he got that partial scholarship to supplement the income his grandmother made as vice-president of the bank.

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Can I help it if he can't manage his money? Maybe they shouldn't be paying a fortune for ballet lessons.

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Yeah, and up until then, he was riding the gravy train.
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Do you honestly believe that Admirals are rich? Do you have any idea how military officers live? Of course not. Sheesh. Rich.
$160,380 per year, plus housing allowance, plus medical, plus other premium pay, plus any per diem
no, not rich, but certainly not on the dole as Obama's mother was for a short period
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