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Originally Posted by Roberto Bear
Ok my point is wether you call it sexism or whatever. But it is astounding to me that in this day in age we can say some of the most detrogatory statement to and about women, and there is no outrage. Yet say something to a minority, and your on the 5 o'clock news. And i am a minority. The worst of the double standard come from the most urban areas.
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Sexism is probably the trickiest of the prejudices to deal with. Patriarchy is accepted to some extent in most cultures and subcultures, and a lot of the sexism in society is very subtle and unconscious. It seems "natural" almost.
My thought on it is because gender stratification takes place in the home rather than between homes. The makes it more personal. And no one wants to admit it exists when it's personal. People don't like conflict in their own home.
Accepting that minorities deserve equal rights means something to those who are insecure about their own security in society. Poor blue collar workers have generally felt the brunt of it through history... and ironically they aren't always treated so well themselves.
Accepting women's rights affects every man. Believing that my wife should be able to be the breadwinner means I must be comfortable not being the breadwinner (that's how it is in reality in my household- I'm okay with it... but a lot of men see this as a threat to masculinity and such situations correlate heavily with domestic violence).
In a way it's really extending freedom to all... It's an opportunity to allow men the option of being more a part of their children's lives, expanding career options to decidedly "feminine" career paths, and being allowed to relax on the rat race a little. But since the "masculine" path is so bred into our identities, it's hard to accept.
Hell, even as progressive as I am, I have issues with asking for help when moving heavy objects! This stuff goes pretty deep.
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Originally Posted by Roberto Bear
As far as Trinity is concerned, no that is pure hatred that must be stopped. Cause all it does is give other racist an excuse to continue ways of old. So it must be stopped. Hatred is Hatred no matter who it's directed at..
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I think it's really hyperbole more than hatred. Part of the problem is that Trinity is typically preaching only to people who share the identity... As a result the members really haven't practiced their skills at dealing with others.
This gets real bad when the church gets a sudden spotlight and decides to use it. I think they are convinced that other people will get what they're saying. I'd imagine they're pretty confused by the current reaction (not so much Wright... I think he knows the value of shock in keeping a discussion going- he just doesn't seem to get that it makes the discussion more negative... or maybe he just doesn't see that as an issue).
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Originally Posted by Roberto Bear
I will have disagree on the GOP thing too. I have been a Dem all my life but have many rep. friends. And I can say without a doubt most real racism is with my old Dem friends from long ago.
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I didn't say the GOP was racist... just that they are enjoying this split. It does work to their advantage.
I think Republicans tend to be racially insensitive and lack a little in the racial empathy area... but they're not usually racist.
Democrats are so varied that it's just weird. I think the Democratic Party contains both the most racist people and the greatest warriors against racism. How these groups stick together is beyond me.
To be honest I'm more concerned right now with seeing anti-racists and anti-sexists back together with the fight behind them than I am in seeing the Democrats win. It just so happens the two things are connected.