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Old 06-16-2008, 05:02 PM
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Default Discouraged Democrats set to cave on Iraq surrender plans

They have failed at trying to get our country to fail!

This proves that Bush has been right all along, since the Democrats are so scared to challenge him on his winning issue.


Thank you President Bush for freeing us!


Democrats to back down on Iraq war conditions
By Richard Cowan
Mon Jun 16, 4:43 PM ET




WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Democrats in the Congress, who came to power last year on a call to end the combat in Iraq, will soon give President George W. Bush the last war-funding bill of his presidency without any of the conditions they sought for withdrawing U.S. troops, congressional aides said on Monday.

Lawmakers are arranging to send Bush $165 billion in new money for the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, enough to last for about a year and well beyond when Bush leaves office on January 20.

"It'll be the lump sum of money, veterans (funding) and that's it," said one House aide familiar with the negotiations on the legislation.

The aide was referring to the funding for the unpopular Iraq war, now in its sixth year, and a measure being attached to expand education benefits for combat veterans.

A House of Representatives vote on the war-funding bill was expected this week. Anything the House passes would have to be approved by the Senate before the legislation is sent to Bush.

With the Pentagon running out of money to continue fighting the two wars, Congress is trying to approve new funds before its July 4 holiday recess.

With this bill, Congress will have written checks for more than $800 billion to fund the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, with most of the money going to Iraq.

Since January, 2007, when Democrats took majority control of the House and Senate, they have tried to force Bush to change course in Iraq, mostly through troop withdrawal timetables and requirements that U.S. soldiers be more thoroughly trained, equipped and rested before returning to combat.

And while various versions have passed each chamber since then, there have not been enough votes in Congress to enact the war conditions over Bush's objections.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080616/...usa_funding_dc

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JLB, you swallow this stuff like Scott McClellan.

Iraqis want us to leave.
Americans want us to leave.
The entire world wants us to leave.

Half Iraq's population has turned into refugees.

The only ones benefitting from this debacle is the minority holding power when they get tax dollars to rebuild everything just to have it all blown up again 2 weeks later. They probably don't even pay you enough for your services JLB.
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JLB, you swallow this stuff like Scott McClellan.
The liberal traitor?

Don't think so.

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Iraqis want us to leave.
Americans want us to leave.
The entire world wants us to leave.

Half Iraq's population has turned into refugees.

The only ones benefitting from this debacle is the minority holding power when they get tax dollars to rebuild everything just to have it all blown up again 2 weeks later. They probably don't even pay you enough for your services JLB.
Gee, if that is so, then why are all the Democrats acting like COWARDS and not following through with their promises to surrender to the terrorists, hmmm?

Your guys can talk the talk, but when it comes to walking the walk you know the truth.....

America hates cowards, and we don't surrender.
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Define Surrender in Iraq.
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Define Surrender in Iraq.
Obama already did, in 2007.


Obama Bill Sets Date For Troop Withdrawal
Candidate Goes Further Than Rivals


By Shailagh Murray
Washington Post Staff Writer

Wednesday, January 31, 2007; Page A04

Sen. Barack Obama of Illinois, one of the most prominent Democrats in the 2008 presidential field, proposed for the first time setting a deadline for withdrawing troops from Iraq, as part of a broader plan aimed at bolstering the freshman senator's foreign policy credentials.

Obama's legislation, offered on the Senate floor last night, would remove all combat brigades from Iraq by March 31, 2008.




He wanted to surrender just as the Surge was ensuring victory.
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Update:

Dems caved!

A huge victory for Bush and the good guys!



Surveillance Bill Offers Protection To Telecom Firms
Deal Would Extend U.S. Wiretap Power, Shield Providers Facing Privacy Lawsuits


By Dan Eggen and Paul Kane
Washington Post Staff Writers
Friday, June 20, 2008; A01




House and Senate leaders agreed yesterday on surveillance legislation that could shield telecommunications companies from privacy lawsuits, handing President Bush one of the last major legislative victories he is likely to achieve.

The agreement extends the government's ability to eavesdrop on espionage and terrorism suspects while effectively providing a legal escape hatch for AT&T, Verizon Communications and other telecom firms. They face more than 40 lawsuits that allege they violated customers' privacy rights by helping the government conduct a warrantless spying program after the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks.

The breakthrough on the legislation came hours after the White House agreed to Democratic demands for domestic spending additions to an emergency war funding bill. Taken together, the bills -- two of the last major pieces of legislation to be approved by Congress this year -- suggest that Bush still wields considerable clout on national security issues but now must acquiesce to Democratic demands on favored domestic priorities to secure victory.

The war spending bill, for example, includes $162 billion for the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan and an additional $95 billion worth of domestic spending on programs such as unemployment insurance and higher-education benefits for veterans. Bush, who had threatened for months to veto the legislation, said he will sign it.

Leading Democrats acknowledged that the surveillance legislation is not their preferred approach, but they said their refusal in February to pass a version supported by the Bush administration paved the way for victories on other legislation, such as the war funding bill.

"When they saw that we were unified in sending that bill rather than falling for their scare tactics, I think it sent them a message," said House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.). "So our leverage was increased because of our Democratic unity in both cases."

Under the surveillance agreement, which is expected to be approved today by the House and next week by the Senate, telecoms could have privacy lawsuits thrown out if they show a federal judge that they received written assurance from the Bush administration that the spying was legal.

The proposal marks a compromise by Republicans and the Bush administration, which had opposed giving federal judges any significant role in granting legal immunity to the phone companies.

The legislation also would require court approval of procedures for intercepting telephone calls and e-mails that pass through U.S.-based servers -- another step that the White House and GOP lawmakers previously resisted.

"It is the result of compromise, and like any compromise it is not perfect, but I believe it strikes a sound balance," said House Majority Leader Steny H. Hoyer (Md.), the lead Democratic negotiator in talks between lawmakers and the White House.

But overall, the deal appears to give Bush and his aides, including Attorney General Michael B. Mukasey and Director of National Intelligence Mike McConnell, much of what they sought in a new surveillance law.

White House spokesman Tony Fratto called the measure "a bipartisan bill" that "will give the intelligence professionals the long-term tools they need to protect the nation, and liability protection for those who may have assisted the government after the 9/11 attacks."

The sharpest critics of the administration's surveillance policies were not mollified. Sen. Russell Feingold (D-Wis.) said the legislation "is not a compromise; it is a capitulation."

"Allowing courts to review the question of immunity is meaningless when the same legislation essentially requires the court to grant immunity," he said.

Caroline Frederickson, a lobbyist for the American Civil Liberties Union, said, "The telecom companies simply have to produce a piece of paper we already know exists, resulting in immediate dismissal."

Senate Majority Leader Harry M. Reid (D-Nev.), who has opposed retroactive immunity for the companies, said he was reviewing the legislation. "There have been, from what I see, some improvements," he said yesterday. "There's good things in this bill."

Other Democrats said the bill could be more popular than a version approved in February that 20 Senate Democrats favored.

Pelosi said the most important part of the deal is "exclusivity" language making it clear that the surveillance law is the only legal authority when it comes to government spying. In defending its warrantless spying program in the past, Bush administration lawyers argued that the commander in chief's warmaking powers trumped such considerations.

Yesterday's agreement ended a four-month standoff that began after House leaders refused to pass a Senate-approved bill that would have made permanent a temporary surveillance law enacted last August. According to the administration, some wiretap orders that allowed the surveillance of foreign terrorism suspects would have begun to expire two months from now unless new legislation was approved.

The negotiations underscored the political calculation made by many Democrats who were fearful that Republicans would cast them as soft on terrorism during an election year. Earlier this week, Hoyer told reporters that many Democrats, particularly those from conservative districts, were prepared to side with Republicans and approve the Senate version of the bill if talks broke down completely.

The immunity would cover companies that helped the government between Sept. 11, 2001, and Jan. 17, 2007, when the warrantless surveillance program was brought under the authority of the secret Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court. That program had allowed the National Security Agency to monitor communications to and from the United States without court oversight.

The retroactive legal protection would apply only in lawsuits filed against telecommunications firms. Any lawsuits against the government would proceed and would have to be defended by other means.

Staff writer Carrie Johnson contributed to this report.

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JLB, you swallow this stuff like Scott McClellan.

Iraqis want us to leave.
Americans want us to leave.
The entire world wants us to leave.

Half Iraq's population has turned into refugees.

The only ones benefitting from this debacle is the minority holding power when they get tax dollars to rebuild everything just to have it all blown up again 2 weeks later. They probably don't even pay you enough for your services JLB.
Tell the party in controll of congress! You know the one you say represents your interests, no wait.. they caved to Bush... oh well just cry in your soup, maybe you'll feel better eventually!
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Yeah, Obama has virtually no experience dealing with foriegn policy.
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Well, he did help his half brother, the communist who wanted to implement Sharia Law get elected.... so he has that going for him.
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Well, this isn't news sir.

Democrats have been notorious for lacking the balls to do anything.
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