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Old 06-17-2008, 05:16 PM
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That's good!! Cause I like Hamas!!!!

That's good, because 99% of America doesn't.
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Hamas hasn't done anything to the United States.

So why are you against them?
They teach hatred and violence to children.

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Old 06-17-2008, 05:28 PM
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They teach hatred and violence to children.

YouTube - Hamas Mickey Mouse Teaches Terror to Kids
They aren't teaching hatred!

They are just teaching children the realities of living around Zionist scum.
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Old 06-17-2008, 05:38 PM
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They aren't teaching hatred!

They are just teaching children the realities of living around Zionist scum.
Maybe you don't like Israel because they are very good at killing Hamas scum.
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Maybe you don't like Israel because they are very good at killing Hamas scum.
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Maybe you don't like Israel because they are very good at killing Hamas scum.
Hamas is a small organization.

But Hezbollah took care of alot of Zionist filth in Lebanon last year!!
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Hamas is a small organization.

But Hezbollah took care of alot of Zionist filth in Lebanon last year!!
I think Israel kicks muslim ass on a daily basis, remember who won the war right afte Israel's establishment in 1948.
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Hamas is a small organization.

But Hezbollah took care of alot of Zionist filth in Lebanon last year!!
So they are what? 1-30 in fights against the evil Zionist filth.
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Hamas has endorsed Obama. Hadn't you heard?

Choosy terrorists, choose Obama!
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Perhaps you are unfamiliar with the way argumentation works. I don't say this to be mean. The fact is, most people are unfamiliar. The most basic form is known as Toulmin's model. It has three components: a claim, grounds, and a warrant. The claim is the assertion, the grounds is the evidence, and the warrant is the reasoning or logic behind the argument. Without at least a claim and a warrant, you don't have any argument, you only have a warrant-less claim.

You say, Hamas endorsed Obama. Here, we kind of have the grounds, but no claim and no warrant. You imply an argument, but never make one.

This is problematic, because I am then forced to assume your argument. In this case, I assume you mean that since Hamas has endorsed Obama, that must mean that Obama is friendly to terrorists. However, we still have no warrant, so I don't know what the implications of this argument are, nor do I know how you intended it to be applied.

Again, I assume that you mean that Obama is somehow appealing to terrorists, thus causing them to want to endorse him. I imagine grounds you may give here is that he is a Muslim, except that he isn't a Muslim. You are an Atheist, as I recall reading elsewhere, yet you live in a country that is Protestant. Should I then assume that when you tell me that you are Atheist, you actually have a hidden agenda, and actually believe in the most radical form of Protestant teachings? Well, you must be a Baptist, since you are clearly hiding your true faith, which we know must be your true faith, because after all, you are an American, and Americans are protestants.

Perhaps you already see the flaws in such logic. Furthermore, it is incredibly ethnocentric to assume that all Muslims are terrorists. Even if Obama were a Muslim, which he isn't, but assuming he were, why does that suddenly make him pro-terrorist?

Additionally, isn't your argument kind of putting the cart before the horse? Why does it necessarily mean that if one group endorses an individual, then the individual must also endorse the group. All cats are mammals, therefore all mammals are cats, right?

With you're rhetoric, you are engaging in Hobbesian Scare Tactics, otherwise know as Appeals to Fear, or Fear-mongering. Terrorists are bad! Look, they endorse Obama. Obama is bad! You don't like terrorists, don't vote for Obama!

But finally, answer me this: why is the act of Hamas endorsing Obama a bad thing? Don't say that it proves he is really a Muslim, because that will only make you look more ethnocentric. You would then need to convincingly argue that being a Muslim is bad from a perspective beyond appeals to fear. I await your reply.
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They aren't teaching hatred!

They are just teaching children the realities of living around Zionist scum.

Ahh, so teaching children to murder Jews is a Hamas family value, eh?

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