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KLang · #21 (**permalink**) 08-31-2004, 06:40 AM

I enjoyed McCain's speech. Especially enjoyed the remarks directed at Moore and the crowds reaction. I just wonder if McCain will actually run again in 2008.

Giuliani did wander the topics around a bit but the crowd didn't seem to mind. I must admit though that I nodded off towards the end, it was a bit too long.

jimholcomb · #22 (**permalink**) 08-31-2004, 06:41 AM

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I love it when a liberal spews monkey puke....

First, He was quoting Bush's speach and the "with us" was referring to foreign countries.

Yes, the cold war was one without a shot - inspite of Kerry's vote for a nuclear freeze, withdrawal of cruise missles, against SDI, ect... The reason we won was 2 fold. First, we out spent them. Second, the moves to develop SDI scared them. Whether SDI would ever work or not was irrelevant - the Soviets thought it would and the theory of mutual destruction was slipping away. You want to use the cold war as an example when even the dem's agree it was Reagan who expedited that event - the whole time your man fought him every step of the way.

The first shot on the war on terror was fired by our enemies.

Monkey Puke.... So original.

God how could I be so wrong with such a convincing arguement as that.

So he was quoting Bush who was wrong. The "With us or against us" was not meant to be viewers watching the convention a statement to foreign countries. It was meant as hype to put down the democrats, and for you to claim otherwise is not being honest with yourself. Nor is that statemetn true either. Like Germany and France are for terrorists... That just shows your ignorance. You can a foreign country and be for fighting terrorism and against starting unjust wars.

IMO, and many others, the fall ofthe Soviet Union had more to do with economic success of capitalism than any, we out spend them and SDI scared them, theory. And oh BTW there was also this man named Gorbechov.

OK, I know your opinion on the cold war, which I don't agree with, but it is your opinion. Now how about backing up your claim that Iraq was not supporting terrorist and is not a part of the larger war on terror. Rebut my statement. And be careful.

KenLay · #23 (**permalink**) 08-31-2004, 06:45 AM

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And oh BTW there was also this man named Gorbechov.

And BTW there was also Russian invasion in Afghanistan which devastated Russian economy, morale and reputation in the world (if they ever had any).

Kinda similar to the Iraq war that has already hurt our economy, our morale, made us less safe and certainly turned America into one of the most hated nations on earth

catzmeow · #24 (**permalink**) 08-31-2004, 06:49 AM

apparently, you missed the part where Kerry said, in 2001, that we needed to take out Iraq, even if the rest of the world did not stand with us.

Hard to justify that statement with his current position...now, is he for or against the war today? His position has changed with such regularity that I often forget.

Catz

KenLay · #25 (**permalink**) 08-31-2004, 06:49 AM

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I enjoyed McCain's speech. Especially enjoyed the remarks directed at Moore and the crowds reaction. I just wonder if McCain will actually run again in 2008.

Funny, a prominent senator taking cheap shots at a lowly filmmaker. As far as I am concerned McCain hit new low.

Hard-Driver · #26 (**permalink**) 08-31-2004, 06:50 AM

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OK, I know your opinion on the cold war, which I don't agree with, but it is your opinion. Now how about backing up your claim that Iraq was not supporting terrorist and is not a part of the larger war on terror. Rebut my statement. And be careful.

I don't have to prove they weren't. You have to prove they were. The justification for a war and the death of tens of thousands under US bombs and bullets should not be "prove your not", But "Prove you are".

So please... List for me the terrorists attacks against the USA that Saddam was involved in....

List for me the terrorists that trained in Iraq...

List for me the acts of terrorism that justified war in Iraq...

The proof is on you.. not me.

catzmeow · #27 (**permalink**) 08-31-2004, 06:52 AM

Just a blue-collar man of the common people, right?

(snicker)

I think you forgot a few words:

"Lowly multi-million dollar political propaganda producer with an unmeasured impact on American political thought who hasn't hesitated to use his celebrity to push a particular political party..."

Which makes him fair game in my book.

Catz

Hard-Driver · #28 (**permalink**) 08-31-2004, 06:53 AM

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apparently, you missed the part where Kerry said, in 2001, that we needed to take out Iraq, even if the rest of the world did not stand with us.

Hard to justify that statement with his current position...now, is he for or against the war today? His position has changed with such regularity that I often forget.

Catz

It is a misquote taken out of context. He said "if diplomacy failed" do you forget about that. HE said he was doubtful that diplmacy would work, but it needed to be tried first. So there is no inconsistancy when Kerry says that Bush rushed into war without finishing the diplomatic options.

KenLay · #29 (**permalink**) 08-31-2004, 06:56 AM

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Now how about backing up your claim that Iraq was not supporting terrorist and is not a part of the larger war on terror. Rebut my statement. And be careful.

"The Sept. 11 commission reported yesterday that it has found no "collaborative relationship" between Iraq and al Qaeda, challenging one of the Bush administration's main justifications for the war in Iraq. "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun16.html

On 9/11 we were attacked by Al-Qaeda, right? Not Hezbollah, not Hamas but Al-Qaeda and Osama Bin Laden. I hope you still remember that cause the "liberal" media stopped talking about it a long time ago.

KLang · #30 (**permalink**) 08-31-2004, 07:01 AM

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I enjoyed McCain's speech. Especially enjoyed the remarks directed at Moore and the crowds reaction. I just wonder if McCain will actually run again in 2008.

Funny, a prominent senator taking cheap shots at a lowly filmmaker. As far as I am concerned McCain hit new low.

New low? Nah. The crowd ate it up. That was the intent. It looked like Moore actually enjoyed the attention.

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