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Old 07-11-2008, 02:14 PM
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More problems for McCain tonight. This time coming from another top adviser, former Hewlett-Packard, Carly Fiorina, thought by some to be on the short list of McCain V.P. choices. During a speech about women and health insurance on Monday, Fiorina argued that, “Many health insurance plans cover Viagra, but won‘t cover birth control medications. Those women would like a choice.” Yes, Carly, I bet they would.

But offering women that choice is not exactly reflected in John McCain‘s voting record in the Senate. He voted against a proposal that would have required insurance companies to pay for prescription contraception just as they pay for Viagra. In some of the most riveting campaign footage of the entire year so far—let‘s watch candidate McCain squirm and squint and try to will himself out of his own body when he was asked about this on his campaign bus yesterday.
trying (and not succeeding) to avoid the insurance coverage for Viagra but not for BCPs controversy.

"Just let me check with my spin doctors first, to find out what I'm supposed to say here, because my own thoughts ... well, uh, I don't seem to have any."



And how interesting that he "hasn't thought much about" the issue, yet he voted against it. Wonder how many other things he's voted on that he hasn't given any real thought to?
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Second thread on the same topic in two days. So I'll just paste the same response:

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No one I know of has encountered this issue. Sounds like an isolated incident.

What is more likely is that there are hundereds of types of birth control and only certain ones are covered while there aren't as many ED meds more of them are covered.

Lastly what in the same hell can any POTUS do to affect what medicines are covered by private insurance companies... well other than nationalizing the industry.
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My bad. I looked all over for a thread on this before staring my own, but in the thousands of Obama-bashing threads, I must have missed it.

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No one I know of has encountered this issue. Sounds like an isolated incident.
Right. If it didn't happen to anyone I know, it can't possibly be worthy of discussion.

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What is more likely is that there are hundereds of types of birth control and only certain ones are covered while there aren't as many ED meds more of them are covered.
Health insurance companies don't cover various meds based on the number of other similar meds out there. They base it on WHAT the med does, and whether the individual actually NEEDS that med to avoid/treat an illness.

There are numerous health-related reasons a doctor would prescribe BCPs that have nothing whatever to do with preventing pregnancy. There is only ONE reason a doctor would prescribe Viagra - to make an impotent man's floppy penis stiff (which isn't a health issue; it's an ego issue).

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Lastly what in the same hell can any POTUS do to affect what medicines are covered by private insurance companies... well other than nationalizing the industry.
Firstly, John McCain is not the president (and at the rate he's going, he never will be). Secondly, the issue of whether insurance companies should be required to cover BCPs came up in congress. McCain voted AGAINST it. (But I'll bet you my left breast he pops one of those little blue pills before hopping into the sack with his ice-queen wife.)

But beyond the ED/BCP issue, don't you find McCain's inability/refusal to respond even a little bit troubling? He doesn't know how he voted on the matter, and even when he's been told his position, he still refuses to discuss it.

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Hm.

He doesn't remember much, or it could be described as a Senior moment. Why anyone would vote for someone who has repeated senior moments is beyond me. My issue is... regardless of whether or not you can remember your vote on an issue... why don't you know your opinion on it? You shouldn't have to look in the archives to know how & why you voted on something. All you have to do is give me an issue and I'll tell you how I feel about it. Anyone, especially one thought to be a serious Presidential Candidate can do this. John McCain, IMO, simply realized that "yes I voted against it" would hurt... since it was recorded (and not behind the safety of congressional voting doors).

He knows his position... or he's retarded.

Both are bad.
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U can't even compare BO, the HO's flip flops with any McCain has had.

This thread is ridiculous.

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U can't even compare BO, the HO's flip flops with any McCain has had.

This thread is ridiculous.
that's it! Yes! Avoid the important topic of "Insurance companies cover Viagra, but not birth control methods" because it doesn't help your stance! Aren't you a woman Raeka? I'll spell it out.

Viagra: not a health issue... being covered by "health" insurance agencies... without covering a "health-related" method like birth control.

A.O.K. with you?
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U can't even compare BO, the HO's flip flops with any McCain has had.

This thread is ridiculous.
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so he didn't know how to answer a really stupid question.
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My bad. I looked all over for a thread on this before staring my own, but in the thousands of Obama-bashing threads, I must have missed it.
No problem I know there are tons of anti-Obama threads, it could have been easily overlooked.

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Right. If it didn't happen to anyone I know, it can't possibly be worthy of discussion.
It's just not worth it because it's a non-issue in deciding who should be POTUS IMHO.

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Health insurance companies don't cover various meds based on the number of other similar meds out there. They base it on WHAT the med does, and whether the individual actually NEEDS that med to avoid/treat an illness.
Right-o, but no matter what insurance company you go to, they're going to cover some variety of birth control, not all but some. ED meds don't have as many options so many of the name brands are covered.

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There are numerous health-related reasons a doctor would prescribe BCPs that have nothing whatever to do with preventing pregnancy.
Indeed, and many of them are covered, but maybe not the specific brand that your wanting to take.

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There is only ONE reason a doctor would prescribe Viagra - to make an impotent man's floppy penis stiff (which isn't a health issue; it's an ego issue).
It actually is a health issue called ED. You clearly aren't a doctor, so you deciding what is and isn't a medical condition is worthless.



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Firstly, John McCain is not the president (and at the rate he's going, he never will be).
Firstly, I hope he isn't.
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Secondly, the issue of whether insurance companies should be required to cover BCPs came up in congress. McCain voted AGAINST it.
Maybe because he believes it isn't for the Feds to decide what is and isn't covered by private insurers, don't really know what his perspective is though, this is just mine.

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(But I'll bet you my left breast he pops one of those little blue pills before hopping into the sack with his ice-queen wife.)
Lol, your probably right.

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But beyond the ED/BCP issue, don't you find McCain's inability/refusal to respond even a little bit troubling? He doesn't know how he voted on the matter, and even when he's been told his position, he still refuses to discuss it.
Yup, but I don't like him anyway so.....

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LOSER!
[/quote]Very mature, but based on your instant need to escalate this into e-shouting, the childishness doesn't really surprise me.
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Little paranoid aren't we dear ?

LOL... Apparently "neg rep"s really upset you dear. Hope you'll get many more!
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