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Old 09-06-2004, 01:20 PM
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Default We'll keep that in mind

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Take it from a professional (republican) pollster:

Differences Between Polls

September 6, 2004--We have been flooded with e-mails asking (in varying tones of politeness) why our poll results seem different from those released by Time and Newsweek.

There are two basic explanations, one involving our polling data and one involving the newsmagazines. For those who need to know the answer before the explanation, the bottom line is that the President is ahead by 4 to 5 points at this time. That's a significant improvement over the past few weeks, but not a double digit lead.

Our current poll (showing the President ahead by just over a point) includes a Saturday sample that is way out of synch with all the days before it and with the Sunday data that followed. In fact, Saturday's one-day sample showed a big day for Kerry while all the days surrounding it showed a decent lead for the President.

It seems likely that Saturday reflects a rogue sample (especially since it was over a holiday weekend). But, it remains in our 3-day rolling average for one more day (Tuesday's report). If we drop the Saturday sample from our data, Bush is currently ahead by about 4 percentage points in the Rasmussen Reports Tracking Poll.

That's still a smaller lead than shown by Time and Newsweek. Those polls appear to have the mirror image problem of a Los Angeles Times poll in June reportedly showing Kerry with a huge lead. That LA Times survey included too many Democrats in their sample. Today, it seems likely that Time and Newsweek included too many Republicans.

Time reports that Republicans will vote for Bush by an 89% to 9% margin; Democrats for Kerry by an 80% to 9% margin; and, unaffiliated voters for Bush 43% to 39%.

Four years ago, 35% of voters were Republicans, 39% were Democrats, and the rest were unaffiliated. If you apply those percentages to the Time internals, you find Bush up by about 3 percentage points. If you do the same with the Newsweek internal numbers, you find Bush with a six point lead. Those results are very close to the Rasmussen Reports data (excluding the Saturday sample).

All of this leads me to conclude that the President is currently ahead by 4 or 5 percentage points.

As always, it's useful to use common sense when reviewing poll data. If a poll suggests that 10 or 20 percent of Americans are changing their mind on a regular basis, it should be viewed with caution. Most of the time, you will find that the partisan mix of the polling sample is changing more than the actual perceptions of voters.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Poll...20Sept%206.htm

"Today, it seems likely that Time and Newsweek included too many Republicans."

And so....what is he basing that on? Besides the fact that it's the only explanation he can come up with to account for his poll being different? Pretty coincidental that both TIME and NEWSWEEK would have included too many Republicans. Where's his PROOF that it had too many Republicans in it. And are we to believe that from now on whenever there is a poll showing a huge gain for Kerry, that we get to claim that "it's likely it had too many Democrats in it????" I'll be sure and keep that in mind......
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Old 09-06-2004, 01:27 PM
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..Jr got a much bigger bounce than Kerry did. The Senator from MA has an uphill climb...And he has to stay on message but part of the problem is he has been a "softie". I believe the SWIFTBOAT ads took the campaign by surprise and to have that story out there for 2 weeks before the RNC did him no favors.

He has to stick with the economy, healthcare and post-war Iraq and hope that by the time the debates roll around, he would have closed the gap a bit to at least pull even going into the final weeks.

Because if all those people who support him think he has no shot at winning, they will NOT be inclined to turn out on NOV 2. And that is certainly a win for JR.
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Old 09-06-2004, 01:56 PM
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Default JP5, I'll take Rasmussen's opinion over yours any day.

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"Today, it seems likely that Time and Newsweek included too many Republicans."

And so....what is he basing that on?
There have been three major studies on party identification within the past year... Their results were as follows:

--------DNC RNC
Harris 33 28
Pew 33 29
NAES 34 32

The reliability and sheer size of these three polls make one thing pretty clear. Right now, Party ID in this country, when leaners are not pushed, is 33% Democrat, 29% Republican, and 38% independent / not aligned. Considering this, much of the bounce from the Newsweek poll is generated by poorly weighted Party ID numbers.

----------------Party ID
Republican 38%
Democrat 31%
Independent 31%

http://www.mydd.com/story/2004/9/4/154842/1919
Do you understand now how Rasmussen arrived ato his conclusions?
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Old 09-06-2004, 02:10 PM
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Default Can't ignore this...

Re: the Newsweek poll - the real Bush advantage may be larger than the poll's published results show:

"First Look At A Big Bounce?"

http://www.polipundit.com/2004_09_05...43851196284135

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As CrushKerry observed, GOP respondents outweighed Democratic respondents in the poll, 374 to 303. With 300 Independents noted,that works out to 38.3% Republicans, 31.0% Democrats, and 30.7% Independents of the 977 total from the three. But the Newsweek poll states that 1,188 respondents were polled, with 1,088 Registered voters. And while the press release takes 20 pages to print and read, Newsweek doesn’t say, exactly, how those remaining 111 to 211 respondents breakdown. Also, I took the time to break down the respondents’ percentages: If the Rep/Dem/Ind response was unweighted, Bush would have led Kerry in the poll 58.0% to 42.0%, a sixteen-point lead, not eleven. So, while they don’t say exactly how they weighted their poll, Newsweek did weight the poll to balance things more towards the Democrats.
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First off, Newsweek noted that the interviews took place both Thursday and Friday. Thursday respondents preferred Bush to Kerry, 49% to 43%, with 3% for Nader and 5% undecided. On Friday, those respondents chose Bush 54% to Kerry’s 38%, with 4% for Nader and 4% undecided. That means that Bush’s speech gained Bush support, and did so directly at the cost to Kerry’s numbers. Kerry’s speech did not help him; Bush’s speech clearly did.
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What about women? Kerry was ahead by an average of 48.6% to 40.5% this summer, and just before the convention, Kerry was ahead 48.7% to Bush’s 43.0%. Newsweek now shows women prefer President Bush to John Kerry, 50% to 43%, a 12-point swing! It seems, those people who figured Laura Bush for only a marginal value in this election, figured wrong.
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Default Kerry has taken the advise

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Well, we'll see. Before he went under the knife this morning, Bill Clinton advised John Kerry to get off the subject of Vietnam and to focus on healthcare and the economy. We'll see if Kerry takes the advice.
Yes, you're right. Bill Clinton told John Kerry to get off Viet Nam. However, Kerry is going to have a real problem convincing Americans that the economy is doing poorly. Or that people have McDonald & Walmart paying jobs.. Alan Greenspan, in his most recent testimony, stated that the paychecks are up, not down.

BILL CLINTON WAS RE-ELECTED ON 5.6% UNEMPLOYMENT. FRIDAY'S, AUG 31, 2004 THE UNEMPLOYMENT RATE WAS 5.4%, WHICH IS LOWER.

As far as health coverage. What has John Kerry done in his last 20 years in the senate for health coverage? Kerry voted against giving small business tax credits, for health insurance. Small business employs 70% of the American population.

THERE'S WHAT KERRY SAYS, AND THEN THERE'S WHAT KERRY DOES!
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