There you go.

The administration's incompetence is amusing.

They saw that Obama was going to Iraq. The Iraqi gov. had just made statements that they want our troops out. Seeing what was coming, they quickly put together with Maliki this "time horizons" concept!!!!

No, no, no, these are not time LINES - those are really bad - they are time HORIZONS. Totally different. LOL!!

If it wasn't so pathetic it would be hilarious.

What is interesting is that the good news in Iraq is actually bad news for McCain and the administration - doesn't seem right does it? It shows you who's really been the defeatists in this scenareo. McCain and Bush were betting on a long term presence. They didn't leave themselves any wiggle room. Just the notion of leaving Iraq meant "defeat" in their world.

Well, Mr. Obama comes along and says hey, things are good. The troops have done an outstanding job. I think we can safely withdraw and PM Maliki agrees! Then he points us towards fighting and defeating the real enemy in Afghanistan/Pakistan and now he's a Commander in Chief.

You see - it was actually the administration who was banking on defeat. They tried every day to walk the tightrope of "everything is going great - but not great enough to leave". Obama knocked them off that tight rope.

McCain's arguments are screwed.

That's because you picked out ONE of his many quotes on this subject---that one being what you claim. However, there are others from Obama. If you'll recall, the far-left types were outraged when he sounded like he was waffling on the timing---saying he'd go to Iraq, talk with the Commanders in the field and reassess the situation and might "refine" his policy....therefore, he went out before the cameras yet again to CONFIRM that he was sticking to the 16-month arbitrary timelline, no matter what. Here's the quote:

"I will bring our troops out at a pace of one two brigades a month" which would mean the United States would be totally out of Iraq in 16 months. "That is what I intend to do as president of the United States."

BUT THEN---LATER----in that SAME session he waffles again by saying...

"I have always said ... I would always reserve the right to do what's best," Obama said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/0..._n_110750.html

See---here's what he does: he gives something to everyone listening. He continues to tell you and his other supporters that he's "always said something" when he fact, he hasn't ALWAYS said that at all. He's just trying to fool you. I see it's working on some....

And IF he's honest when he gets back from his trip, he'll HAVE to change yet again and finally ADMIT that the SURGE he was against, has worked.

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lol.

You cant be serious.

The surge is being trumpeted at every turn by McCain.He claims it is his creation and Ive not seen anyone dispute it.Now you have the the President of Iraq so confident in his security that he calls Obama 16 months a decent place to shoot for.This is all because of the surge.In other worlds the plan that Obama ridiculed and the McCain vehemently pushed for WORKED.

Spin it as you like,the fact that Obama spoke about issues that he had absolutley no knowledge and now is playing politcal catchup makes him look silly.Im sure the 'news' trailing him around like little puppies will take it easy on him but when looked at from a non biased point of view-this is politcal thru and thru.The MSM still loves to still give that 100 years garbage play but in reality ,McCain has always stated that when the commanders on the ground say we can go,we'll go...that simple.If there was ever an easy test to see if the media in this country is biased lets watch the coverage of this trip.The propagandizing of the trip by the networks already reeks of favoritism given their relative lack of coverage from any of the trips McCain has taken.

With so much invested theres little question US advisors will remain in Iraq for years after that 16 months has elapsed,regardless of who wins the election.

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It WORKED? You mean the Iraqi government has settled all its issues and we can come HOME? Well, gosh! What a surprise! I thought they still had issues to work out. That WAS the purpose of the Surge, to give the Iraqi government room and time to get their poopy together. Are you saying they GOT their poopy together? That MUST be what you are saying if you say the Surge "worked." Since that was the REASON for the Surge!!!

And it's cute that you post a story that proves what I said, and disproves what YOU said.

You've been provided the quotes. You simply continue to wear your blinders.

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Wow; libs are so clueless in foreign affairs. Libs seem to believe it's always an "either/or" choice----Either we finish the job in Iraq OR we pull ALL those troops and go back into Afghanistan." Newsflash: a Commander-In-Chief has MANY, MANY IMPORTANT ISSUES TO JUGGLE and TEND TO. AND ALL AT ONCE TOO!!!! A point that many libs....and Obama....can't seem to grasp.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Gee. I guess al-Maliki has blinders on, too.

http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpoi...hes_hopefu.php

YOU said "the surge has worked." That means, I guess... what?

You need to pick a story and stick with it, JP5. Yesterday you said Obama said he was firm on the 16-months, then when I showed you he said that would depend entirely on condtions at that time, you said you knew that, and it was evidence of him being a flip flopper.

Now, you say the surge "worked," and in your next post, you are calling it a work in progress.

See, here in the REAL world we tend to try to keep our arguments centered in reality.

It's really difficult to discuss things with people who change what they are upset about from one post to the next.

Here's what so funny about this.

If the surge worked - then Obama's plan can be implemented.

If the the surge didn't work - it can't be implemented.

Obama concedes the point on the surge and wins the larger point with regards to the withdrawal. Maliki agrees.

McCain/Bush has been against any troop withdrawal which undermines his statement that the surge worked.

All this does is expose the true intent of the administration and John McCain. It's not about victory in Iraq - it's about controlling the region.

As the Pres. and McCain migrate towards Obama's position - Obama wins big. They can call it a time HORIZON or anything else they want - they lose.

Obama goes to Europe with a huge victory and alot of material to use in his big speech in Germany.

Grow Up.......


Maliki has told the Far Left basically your misusing what I said and misrepresenting it..
The extreme Lefts response..we don't care what you say this is what you said!

Proving once again the extreme Left simply makes up things, ignores reality. lies, etc..

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