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Old 09-08-2004, 05:27 AM
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Default New Kerry Spin

The new tactic being utilized by the Kerry campaign? To whine that for every dollar spent in Iraq, a dollar is being taken away from social programs in the U.S.

Does anyone besides myself find this a disgusting argument? How greedy and self-serving can we possibly be? The poorest American is incredibly wealthy in comparison to the 3rd world, but apparently, we should be spending more on welfare; and social programs.

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Old 09-08-2004, 07:04 AM
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Default Almost right

The only thing wrong with this argument is that we should be spending the Iraq money on education. And then defense. And then a whole bunch of other things, including social programs to help people that have been left behind by our grossly underfunded and largely inefficient public education system.
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Old 09-08-2004, 07:42 AM
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The new tactic being utilized by the Kerry campaign? To whine that for every dollar spent in Iraq, a dollar is being taken away from social programs in the U.S.
I've been saying this all along that the money for Iraq is being wasted, and could be spent on much more important things to better OUR nation. I for one would like to have seen this money being spent to find the real terrorists responsible for the events of 9/11. Also I would like to have seen this money spent on defense to protect our borders and increase security. Social programs obviously would fall somewhere in the midst of all that.

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Does anyone besides myself find this a disgusting argument? How greedy and self-serving can we possibly be? The poorest American is incredibly wealthy in comparison to the 3rd world, but apparently, we should be spending more on welfare; and social programs.
This argument is not disgusting. What is disgusting is that Bush is wasting all that money and manpower to serve his own personal agendas in Iraq..."He tried to kill my daddy". Our nation and our citizens should be of the highest level of priorities. If Iraq needed a regime change, they would have gotten one on their own...the old fasioned way like we did. Revolutions are the only way to go, otherwise the citizens think anyone so-called "helping", is really trying to occupy their country. FYI, when this war dwindles down, they will still remain poor, especially when we move away from using Oil. They will be forgotten. They are a lost cause.
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Default interesting...

I believe the true colors are showing potter...

"They are a lost cause"

So, non-american brown people are a lost cause..... very liberal of you actually!
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I believe the true colors are showing potter...

"They are a lost cause"

So, non-american brown people are a lost cause..... very liberal of you actually!
Quite a sweeping accusation to make don't you think Sinanju? For your information I am not a racist unlike many holding government offices.

I was merely making an observation about the surroundings people of that area live in. The middle east is hardly an area of robust vegitation and clean drinking water. Next to hell, it is seems to be one of these least hospitable areas to live in.

The only reason our government has ever involved the US in the middle east has been for the oil, and once this oil either A) Drips dry, or B) We move away from using oil altogether, the middle east will have no further resources to sustain their own well being. This in my mind is a lost cause. They are doomed to this destiny, whether anyone likes it or not. We have our own problems to deal with here at home before we go of to save the world. Like I said, OUR nation should be the first place our president thinks about when discussing nation building.
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What is disgusting is that Bush is wasting all that money and manpower to serve his own personal agendas in Iraq..."He tried to kill my daddy".
I've said it before, I'll say it again. This is a retarded argument with no proof. People are so pissed off at Bush (I think many are still mad about the 2000 elections when Bush won) that they will swallow whatever tripe they can to criticize and belittle. The "Oh he tried to kill my daddy" argument is just so....well stupid. And it's an insult to try to pass it off as a viable reason Bush went into Iraq. Use of this argument automatically voids one's points. Arguments devoid of logic and reason are arguments ignored.
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Does anyone besides myself find this a disgusting argument? How greedy and self-serving can we possibly be? The poorest American is incredibly wealthy in comparison to the 3rd world, but apparently, we should be spending more on welfare; and social programs.
The poorest American is incredibly wealthy in comparison to the third world? That makes loads of sense.

Its like saying “Our people in America who barely have enough money to put food on their plates, have more money then third world country people who barely have enough money to put food on their plates”.
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Default potter... perhaps you should just keep your mouth shut..

because your foot is starting to get soggy from flying in it so much...

Aside from my joke about true colors... you just feed me another straight line pal.. "aside from Hell"... Now the middle east is Hell?? not very PC young man..


And btw, how many things do you use each day made outta plastic? 10? 20? 100? Does plastic come from magic jellybean fields?
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Aside from my joke about true colors... you just feed me another straight line pal.. "aside from Hell"... Now the middle east is Hell?? not very PC young man..
Ask any American Soldier over there right now what they think of the situation and the land that these people live on, I'm sure you won't be getting things like "I love it here...its so beautiful". Again you tried to twist my words. I never said the middle east was hell. I said that it was one of the most inhospitable places to be....next to hell. (that is called satire, but based on your attempts at making jokes, I can see you have no sense of humor whatsoever. Do you honestly feel that killing thousands of innocent Iraqi civilians should be considered politically correct?


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And btw, how many things do you use each day made outta plastic? 10? 20? 100? Does plastic come from magic jellybean fields?
FYI, I may use plastic, but it is recycleable, and I am one of many Americans moving to do just that. There is enough plastic right now that has been made to sustain our useage for many many many years to come without making new, if only we had more people on board with recycling such things. Plus, as a chemist, I know of other ways that synthetic plastics can be made.

Like I said though, when the oil fields dry up they will be withOUT any resources to sustain themselves. Hopefully with someone other than Bush we can get away from using the oil altogether, and then they will be forced to only sell it for plastic, precious plastic. Do you honestly believe that this will be enough to hold up their economy? Please get real Sinanju.
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What is disgusting is that Bush is wasting all that money and manpower to serve his own personal agendas in Iraq..."He tried to kill my daddy".
I've said it before, I'll say it again. This is a retarded argument with no proof. People are so pissed off at Bush (I think many are still mad about the 2000 elections when Bush won) that they will swallow whatever tripe they can to criticize and belittle. The "Oh he tried to kill my daddy" argument is just so....well stupid. And it's an insult to try to pass it off as a viable reason Bush went into Iraq. Use of this argument automatically voids one's points. Arguments devoid of logic and reason are arguments ignored.
Bush wanted to go into Iraq because he knew he could not catch Osama Bin Laden or obtain any immediate action against terrorism. He knew that he had to do something to apease the American Population that he is some great and powerful protector, so he went after the next big thing. He did it mostly to secure the idea that he isn't just sitting on his ass like he was pre-9/11, so that he could salvage any level of respect he has with the voters of the nation. He knew that if he didn't keep up this persona, he would indeed lose his chance at a second term. Example...this is all they have to run on this entire campaign.
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