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Old 07-23-2008, 09:01 AM
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Barry comes away empty, as Iraqis and the Commanders on the ground tell him he is an idiot.


Mr. Obama in Iraq
Did he really find support for his withdrawal plan?


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Wednesday, July 23, 2008


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THE INITIAL MEDIA coverage of Barack Obama's visit to Iraq suggested that the Democratic candidate found agreement with his plan to withdraw all U.S. combat forces on a 16-month timetable. So it seems worthwhile to point out that, by Mr. Obama's own account, neither U.S. commanders nor Iraq's principal political leaders actually support his strategy.

Gen. David H. Petraeus, the architect of the dramatic turnaround in U.S. fortunes, "does not want a timetable," Mr. Obama reported with welcome candor during a news conference yesterday. In an interview with ABC, he explained that "there are deep concerns about . . . a timetable that doesn't take into account what [American commanders] anticipate might be some sort of change in conditions."

Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki, who has a history of tailoring his public statements for political purposes, made headlines by saying he would support a withdrawal of American forces by 2010. But an Iraqi government statement made clear that Mr. Maliki's timetable would extend at least seven months beyond Mr. Obama's. More significant, it would be "a timetable which Iraqis set" -- not the Washington-imposed schedule that Mr. Obama has in mind. It would also be conditioned on the readiness of Iraqi forces, the same linkage that Gen. Petraeus seeks. As Mr. Obama put it, Mr. Maliki "wants some flexibility in terms of how that's carried out."

Other Iraqi leaders were more directly critical. As Mr. Obama acknowledged, Sunni leaders in Anbar province told him that American troops are essential to maintaining the peace among Iraq's rival sects and said they were worried about a rapid drawdown.

Mr. Obama's response is that, as president, he would have to weigh Iraq's needs against those of Afghanistan and the U.S. economy. He says that because Iraq is "a distraction" from more important problems, U.S. resources devoted to it must be curtailed. Yet he also says his aim is to "succeed in leaving Iraq to a sovereign government that can take responsibility for its own future." What if Gen. Petraeus and Iraqi leaders are right that this goal is not consistent with a 16-month timetable? Will Iraq be written off because Mr. Obama does not consider it important enough -- or will the strategy be altered?

Arguably, Mr. Obama has given himself the flexibility to adopt either course. Yesterday he denied being "so rigid and stubborn that I ignore anything that happens during the course of the 16 months," though this would be more reassuring if Mr. Obama were not rigidly and stubbornly maintaining his opposition to the successful "surge" of the past 16 months. He also pointed out that he had "deliberately avoided providing a particular number" for the residual force of Americans he says would be left behind.

Yet Mr. Obama's account of his strategic vision remains eccentric. He insists that Afghanistan is "the central front" for the United States, along with the border areas of Pakistan. But there are no known al-Qaeda bases in Afghanistan, and any additional U.S. forces sent there would not be able to operate in the Pakistani territories where Osama bin Laden is headquartered. While the United States has an interest in preventing the resurgence of the Afghan Taliban, the country's strategic importance pales beside that of Iraq, which lies at the geopolitical center of the Middle East and contains some of the world's largest oil reserves. If Mr. Obama's antiwar stance has blinded him to those realities, that could prove far more debilitating to him as president than any particular timetable.
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Old 07-23-2008, 09:15 AM
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How droll. JLB quoting the "Liberal" Washington Post.

Of course, the Post is incorrect.

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Pro-war Washington Post editorial page editor Fred Hiatt has come up with a creative way to deal with al-Maliki's inconvenient endorsement of Obama's pull-out timeline: Pretend it never happened.

Now, there's a certain beauty in Hiatt's claim that the fact that the Iraqi government's timetable would extend seven months beyond Obama's somehow shows that Iraqi leaders don't support Obama's timing. After all, WaPo's headline writers were pushing this self-evidently absurd claim the other day, something Josh suggested might show that the edit page's slant was bleeding on to the news pages. Now here they are both pulling the same rhetorical hoax, like a pair of bumbling confidence-men who both accidentally play the same part in a two-person con-game.

To reiterate, the "seven month" claim is borderline farce.


The Iraqi government's desire for the troops to be out "by" the end of 2010 doesn't preclude them being out a couple months earlier. So in no way does this show that Iraqi leaders don't support Obama's plan. But never mind that. The larger obvious point here is that the Iraqi government's aims are infinitely, incalculably closer to Obama's than to McCain's. They're virtually identical with Obama's aims.

As for the fact that Iraqi leaders say they want a "timetable that Iraqis set," this doesn't in any way indicate that Iraqi leaders don't support Obama's time-line, either. The timetable that Iraqis have informally set is Obama's timetable.

Bottom line: Obama wants the troops out in 16 months. Iraqi leaders want them out by some time in 2010. In other words, they agree with Obama. How do we know this? Why, al-Maliki specifically said so! Quibbling over a month here or there on the margins of the 16 months or over who is "officially" setting the time-line itself is hackery at its most burlesque.
Such a NAUGHTY "Liberal" media, to get its facts wrong like that!!!
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I thought Obama was there to here the facts on the ground now that he has he doesn't care enough to change his position. Obama can go screw himself for all I care.
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I thought Obama was there to here the facts on the ground now that he has he doesn't care enough to change his position. Obama can go screw himself for all I care.
Gotta love that insightful political insight and stuff...
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Barry comes away empty, as Iraqis and the Commanders on the ground tell him he is an idiot. [IMG]
I don't see the term "idiot" in your long copy and paste. Maybe you quoted the wrong section or the wrong story? Because I know you'd never make (*)(*)(*)(*) up.
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How droll. JLB quoting the "Liberal" Washington Post.

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Such a NAUGHTY "Liberal" media, to get its facts wrong like that!!!
Gee, so Obama lied when he said differently in the quotes in that interview, eh?
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I don't see the term "idiot" in your long copy and paste. Maybe you quoted the wrong section or the wrong story? Because I know you'd never make (*)(*)(*)(*) up.
That's Obama's job... to make things up.
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How droll. JLB quoting the "Liberal" Washington Post.

Of course, the Post is incorrect.



Such a NAUGHTY "Liberal" media, to get its facts wrong like that!!!
I brought up the same point(s) yesterday and certain users tried to pigeon-hole me over it. Got 6 positive rep points for my effort. Guess we know who won that round.

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Gee, so Obama lied when he said differently in the quotes in that interview, eh?
U posted something that was a lie and got called on it. Now U don't want to talk about it?

Imagine that.
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That's Obama's job... to make things up.

So why are you doing it?
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