Maybe you can help me out, explain this:

Obama claims he wants the troops to be out of Iraq in 16 months, from the day he gets into office.

“… Obama will give his Secretary of Defense and military commanders a new mission in Iraq: ending the war. The removal of our troops will be responsible and phased, directed by military commanders on the ground and done in consultation with the Iraqi government. Military experts believe we can safely redeploy combat brigades from Iraq at a pace of 1 to 2 brigades a month that would remove them in 16 months….”
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/iraq/

Obama wants to have peace talks with Iran and other hostile governments.

“…Obama is the only major candidate who supports tough, direct presidential diplomacy with Iran without preconditions….”
http://www.barackobama.com/issues/foreignpolicy/

Then Obama wins the Primary.
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Bush wants to withdrawal the troops.

“…The Bush administration is considering the withdrawal of additional combat forces from Iraq beginning in September, according to administration and military officials, raising the prospect of a far more ambitious plan than expected only months ago. Such a withdrawal would be a striking reversal from the nadir of the war in 2006 and 2007…” http://www.iht.com/articles/2008/07/13/america/13military.php

Bush decides on Peace talks with Hostile Governments.

“…William Burns, the State Department's third-ranking diplomat, sat down across from Iran's nuclear negotiator this weekend, he did so despite previous demands by Washington that Tehran suspend nuclear enrichment before talks take place… Rice will meet for the first time with her North Korean counterpart in what the State Department is calling an "informal meeting" of the six-party talks, a negotiating format…” http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=5417864&page=1

“The Bush administration is perceived to be emptying its diplomatic toolbox, in a shift that some see as borrowing from policies advanced by Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill.”
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What I don’t understand is, how can anyone who is a Bush/McCain supporter criticize Obama for his Foreign Policies, or lack there of, if their party is using them now! And, how can you give Obama a hard time for possibly adjusting that time frame after he obtains more knowledge, calling him a flip-flopper, when your administration is doing the same thing!

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Obama wanted to surrender by last year.

That's the problem.


Sen. Obama: Iraq withdrawal should begin in 2007
POSTED: 5:08 p.m. EST, November 20, 2006

CHICAGO, Illinois (CNN) -- Sen. Barack Obama called Monday for U.S. troops to start leaving Iraq in 2007, arguing that the threat of an American pullout is the best leverage Washington has left in the conflict.

"The time for waiting in Iraq is over. It is time to change our policy," said Obama, a freshman Democrat from Illinois touted as a possible national candidate in 2008.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/...raq/index.html

Wrong on Iraq, wrong on the Surge, wrong for President.

First of all, we are talking about Obama's Campain policies. Not "Things Obama said 3 years ago for $500, Alex."
Second, he wants to begin the withdrawl when he gets into office. How curious it is that Bush is pushing for a withdrawl now...

It is almost as if you opose things simply because Obama said it, not because you disagree.

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I see you've swallowed the Obama spin machine pablum, hook, line and sinker!! Bush has said all that long before Obama got nominated. Troops have already begun to come home and Obama should know this. Obama's camp is trying hard to make you believe that Obama was the first to say or do anything.....and evidently it's worked on you.

BUT what Obama won't admit is that he was wrong on the surge. But just wait----eventually I'm sure he'll be spinning that one as well, saying he was for it all along...."I ALWAYS said we should have more troops over there....." Just wait.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

So, YOUR contention that it all came from Obama first and Bush copied him.....(lol)......think again. THIS article below is from Sept 2007. (Obama didn't get the nomination until May 2008:

"Bush said progress on the ground means he can pull out by next summer the additional combat forces he sent in January -- roughly 21,700 troops -- and he opened the door to further troop reductions if conditions improve. Although the president offered no forecast for how long it will take, Army Gen. David H. Petraeus, the top U.S. commander in Iraq, told Washington Post reporters and editors yesterday that current U.S. projections anticipate Iraq reaching nationwide "sustainable security" by June 2009. "
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...091301746.html

So----let's recap: Bush said in Sept of 2007 that the surge was working and that that would enable him to pull roughly 21,7000 troops out by the next summer (that would be now). AND he also said in Sept of 2007 that with the surge working, as conditions further improved, we'd be able to bring even more home. Petraeus, in Sept 2007 projected based on the successes at that point that Iraq would be reaching nationwide "sustainable security" by June 2009." So, Obama coming in now claiming he'd bring them home in 16 months---which would be 2010, is rather a moot point, now isn't it? And wanting us to believe it was ALL his idea to start with!!! Too funny.

Point being---Pres. Bush has always planned to bring most of the troops home as conditions improve and just as soon as we are able to. obama wants to bring them home----regardless of what's happening.

And had anybody listened to Obama and NOT sent in the extra 30,000 surge troops, we would NOT be enjoying this success.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

IF it were true that Bush has been for a withdrawl all this time, Why do I hear the argument from the Conservatives "If we withdrawl we will lose the war, we are running away..." Explain to me why That is the argument against Obama's withdrawl....

ps. thank you for the Negative rep point simply because you disagree.... lmao.

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So he flip flopped, eh?


He wanted to surrender by March of this year, and said so.

He is? Where?

We are now winning... no thanks to Obama, so when we have finished the job we will withdraw the troops.

It depends on the day of the week what Obama says he is for. I disagree with liars.

it matters little how correct your statement is. You'll get nowhere with Bush supporters.

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The tragedy of war is that it uses man's best to do man's worst.
-Henry Fosdick

I am not sure why you are atempting to argue the facts of who said what first. The point is that Obama wants to withdrawl, and you Freak out that he is surrendering and that he is "giving up" and that he shouldnt have peace talks with Iran and and and... Yet, YOUR administration is now doing that. The point is your freaking out at Obama.. for things your candidate is supporting.

It makes no sense.

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I like how I ask a legite question.... and none of you can answer me! hahaha If you cant explain WHY you argue something a certain way... I hope you can open your eyes and realize you might be wrong. OR atleast that you are arguing incorrectly.

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