Jimmy Carter is calling zell a traitor to his party.

"is accusing fellow Georgia Democrat Zell Miller of 'unprecedented disloyalty' for the senator's speech at the Republican convention,"
http://news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=stor.../carter_miller
Mean while Carter praises segregationist former governor Lester Maddox aS A LOYAL DEMOCRAT.
http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/arc..._05.php#003438

Everyone knows that you were chosen to speak at the Republican Convention because of your being a "Democrat," and it's quite possible that your rabid and mean-spirited speech damaged our party and paid the Republicans some transient dividends.

ok lets set aside the disloyal to the party thing for a second despite the fact that Zell spoke for severl disatified democrats.Set aside a moment the fact that Carter just put loyalty to a political party above loyalty to one's country.

Remember the nobel prize Carter accepted in December 2002.he acepted it despite , as The Weekly Standard noted when the award was announced in October, the chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee saying flat outthat the award " 'should be interpreted' as a 'kick in the leg' to current President George W. Bush's 'belligerent' foreign policy."
http://www.theweeklystandard.com/Con...1/782gfexl.asp

So what we have here is everyon knowing that Carter was chosen to deliver the Nobel Lecture because of his being an American who opposes American foreign policy.Despite his speech being rather tepid at the nobel award, he delivered a rabid and mean-spirited speech attacking current U.S. foreign policy at the DNC:

After 9/11, America stood proud, wounded but determined and united. . . . But in just 34 months, we have watched with deep concern as all this goodwill has been squandered by a virtually unbroken series of mistakes and miscalculations. Unilateral acts and demands have isolated the United States from the very nations we need to join us in combating terrorism. . . .

Recent policies have cost our nation its reputation as the world's most admired champion of freedom and justice. What a difference these few months of extremism have made!

The United States has alienated its allies, dismayed its friends, and inadvertently gratified its enemies by proclaiming a confused and disturbing strategy of "preemptive" war. With our allies disunited, the world resenting us, and the Middle East ablaze, we need John Kerry to restore life to the global war against terrorism.

IMHO this is misguided party loyalty over national security and your own nation. However we do have the right as citizens to dissent. I am sure Carter and his defenders would no doubt tell us that he spoke as a patriotic American ,troubled by the direction of his country's leaders and the path they have taken. Which of course is exactly what Zell Miller says about the Democratic Party.

So, did Zell Miller betray his party? Well, first things first: Did Jimmy Carter betray his country?

That sword cuts both ways Jimmy and your end seems sharper.

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(from Lucius Annaeus Seneca, "the Younger," circa 4 BC-65 AD

Not sure I follow your argument, Sedy. I don't think Carter sees loyalty to party and loyalty to country as being opposed to one another in this instance.

He thinks Bush has damaged our national interests, and he thinks Zell has done that as well as betrayed his party by backing Bush.

....Jimmy "crackpot" Carter.

Here's what Zell said:

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Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.

Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator.
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Hmmm....that sounds a lot like what Carter was saying, doesn't it?!


Want more?


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But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking America is the problem, not the solution.

They don't believe there is any real danger in the world except that which America brings upon itself through our clumsy and misguided foreign policy.

It is not their patriotism — it is their judgment that has been so sorely lacking.

They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.

They were wrong.

They claimed Reagan's defense buildup would lead to war.

They were wrong.

And, no pair has been more wrong, more loudly, more often than the two Senators from Massachusetts, Ted Kennedy and John Kerry.
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Cuz you have a quick draw! you beat me to the Zell quotes...


"They claimed Carter's pacifism would lead to peace.

They were wrong."

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"I haven't made you angry, have I?" -Malcolm Reynolds

bungled the Iran hostage situation, costing a dozen U.S. soldiers their lives, probably ought not be lecturing Zell at this point in time.

Anyone who lived through the Carter era remembers well his "effectiveness" in office.

I'm certain he's a good man. But goodness does not equal competence. In fact, some of the most competent people I've known probably wouldn't be called good, but they did what needed to be done.

Carter never did.

Catz

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Apparently he dose because he dictates that ONLy his view is the parties.

Its just as much ZElls party as Carters. He did not leave the democratic party...the democratic party left him. Just look at kenedy. The tax cuts of his and Bush are in line. Why is the party so far left now?

Carter accused zell of what he himself did by the awarders own admision

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"...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." [...a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand.]
(from Lucius Annaeus Seneca, "the Younger," circa 4 BC-65 AD

"bungled the Iran hostage situation, costing a dozen U.S. soldiers their lives, probably ought not be lecturing Zell at this point in time.

Anyone who lived through the Carter era remembers well his "effectiveness" in office. "

sorry, history has proven that Reagan, while Reagan won the Cold War, was the worst president when it came to to terrorism - even his administration acknowledges their weakness at the time.

I lived through Carter. He proved a failure and his pasifist policy proved a deadly failure.

This is the carter thread about his clear hypocricy. If you cant defend that {the issue} then deflecting to someone else as a defense helps prove the point.

I never said reagon was a saint or perfect nor was he brought up at all.

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"...quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit, occidentis telum est." [...a sword never kills anybody; it's a tool in the killer's hand.]
(from Lucius Annaeus Seneca, "the Younger," circa 4 BC-65 AD

The democrat party of today, is not the democrat party of 30-40 years ago. It's not even the party of Bill Clinton. They have been led so far to the left, that they are now off of the charts. WHY? Because some still feel that George Bush "stole" the election. Yet, they cannot show one time, even after the votes in Florida have been counted at least 5 times, that Al Gore even won one count. All the dimples, pimples, scratch & lip stick marks never gave Al one single win.

The hate rhetoric against a sitting President "while we are at war on terror," has upset this old democrat, Zell Miller. Miller still has his disagreements with the Republican party. He states he will never leave the Democrat party, he just wants his old one back.

Jimmy Carter is a pacifist, & would have never taken military action to defend this country. Zell Miller is just the opposite.