First, insinuating that FDLE acted inappropriately in interviewing elderly black voters in a voter fraud issue involving the Buddy Dyer campaign in Orlando (they didn't). This issue was covered by a series of very irresponsible and fact-light pieces by Bob Herbert in the NYT.
Pieces, that by the way, ignored the fact that the original complaints that sparked the investigation were made by black voters, and that the mainly white Firefighters Union was also under investigation for vote buying.

Secondly, insinuating that blacks were "harassed" by red light patrols in intersections in Tallahassee, a heavily DEMOCRATIC county with a Democrat as sheriff.

For the record, there were TWO speed traps in MY LARGELY WHITE NEIGHBORHOOD the day of the election.

Perhaps the Dems were attempting to suppress the WHITE vote.

Catz

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Bugalugs: "people join the military because they are stupid and gullible."

http://www.ffrd.org/indochina/camele...oridamodel.htm
"Statewide, based upon county-level statistical estimates, black voters were nearly 10 times more likely than nonblack voters to have their ballots rejected.
Estimates indicate that approximately 14.4 percent of Floridas black voters cast ballots that were rejected. This compares with approximately 1.6 percent of nonblack Florida voters who did not have their presidential votes counted.
Statistical analysis shows that the disparity in ballot spoilage ratesi.e., ballots cast but not countedbetween black and nonblack voters is not the result of education or literacy differences. This conclusion is supported by Governor Jeb Bushs Select Task Force on Election Procedures, Standards and Technology, which found that error rates stemming from uneducated, uninformed, or disinterested voters account for less than 1 percent of the problems."

When I vote, I give my name and I'm given a ballot. Poll workers do not see or touch my ballot again. Obviously, I would not be given a ballot if my name was not on the list. If a ballot was ultimately thrown out, no one could possibly know if it was mine or not. I don't understand why a ballot already cast would be rejected unless it was improperly filled out (or punched). I also do not understand how they could know anything about the person who cast such a ballot.

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Do you know what it's like to fall in the mud and get kicked... in the head... with an iron boot? Of course you don't, no one does. It never happens. It's a dumb question... skip it.

Where are "all these people?" Even the Civil Rights organization couldn't find any for their testimony at their hearings. Just because there was a list that had some incorrect information on it, doesn't mean those people on the list even tried to vote. There's no proof of it. And where are you getting information about "blacks?" Are you saying all felons are black and therefore if the list had some names that didn't belong on it, that they had to be black?" HAD there been people...black or white....that were denied a vote, the Civil Rights organization would have had no problems finding them. You cannot make such an accusation with no proof.

I'm talking about the early call for Gore BEFORE the polls and voting was even done. No telling how many people standing in line heard that and just decided to go home. Funny that you think that is an acceptable "excuse" and not done on purpose...and yet don't give the benefit of the doubt when it's the other way.

Again...you don't know that. And YES, they DID announce Gore the winner BEFORE all the polls were closed. And YES, it could be called disenfranchisement. IF you can claim that a list of felons that had some erroneous information on it (not because of anything the officials of Florida did) resulted in disenfranchisement with no proof.....nobody who ever came forward and said, "My name was on there and they wouldn't let me vote" then I can do the same.

And I could say that there shouldn't have been so many Democrat judges and polling officials running the election either. I could say that it should be the Democrat official who designed the Butterfly ballot that should have gotten the blame. And NO....I do not think that had it been the other way around, Bush would have been so partisan as to say, "Let's just recount my counties." I could also say that the liberal Florida Supreme Court shouldn't have changed the rules in the middle of an election and tried to assist Gore as they did. Even their Chief Justice....also a liberal....in his Dissenting Opinion...told them all they were breaking laws.....

Actually what he did was to look for "technicalities" to try and deny the military overseas votes. Something that Florida had ALWAYS allowed in the past, Gore decided should be denied for THIS election. Again.....trying to change the practice and rules in the middle of an electin for his benefit.

[/quote] I can prove to you that they are setting up challenges already. They continually complain about the new machines.....even though they had 4 years to get what they wanted and tons of money has been spent on the state-of-the-art voting methods. They are putting lawyers in certain polling places. Were that the other way around, Dems would be yelling, "Intimidation and Disenfranchisement." You've got Kerry out there already putting out the claim that blacks will be denied a vote. These are ALL things they are doing in advance to set up a challenge IF it's close and in Bush's favor. That's not having "tunnel vision." That's just telling it like it is.

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But one is real...and the other one isn't. I let you guess which of the two.....disenfranchisement of blacks or terrorism.....is real. Some of the images you saw on tv this past week-end might give you a clue.

And you just gave the best reason NOT to vote for John Kerry......because he's ........."[i]the guy who all the terrorists want to be president[/i]." Why do you think the terrorist want Kerry? Because Bush has been hard on them; and because they believe Kerry will not be.

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or local stupidity?

Perhaps you don't understand how the felon list works in Florida. Under state law, felons are prohibited from voting. In 1998, Florida privatized the creation of the felon list, which had previously been done manually at the local level in hopes of making the process more efficient. The private company who compiled the list forwarded the list to state elections officials, who forwarded this list to local county elections supervisors, WHO ARE REQUIRED BY LAW to check the list for accuracy.

In some counties, the elections supervisors DID NOT FOLLOW THE LAW, and some people (WHITE AND BLACK) were denied the opportunity to vote.

If this was an attempt to suppress the black vote, it was certainly the lamest attempt at a secret conspiracy EVER.

I don't like Jeb! much, but he's not that stupid. If he had a plot, it would be carried off better than this.

Catz

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Bugalugs: "people join the military because they are stupid and gullible."

I don't know about all other states, but in Texas, one gets to vote no matter what. In other words, if someone comes in, doesn't appear to be registered or whatever......WE STILL LET THEM VOTE. I know, because I worked the 2002 election in my precinct. There was a short form they had to fill out and sign....and their ballots were placed in a separate box to be investigated later by county officials. This only happened about 3 times, but they were allowed to vote anyway.

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"This is a time for a national imperative not to fail in Iraq." Condoleeza Rice, January 11, 2007

Well I live in California and my vote won't count...I am caucasion and I am a minority here...Kerry will win this state and my Bush vote won't matter...I am going to vote anyways but you won't hear me whining and moaning about it....it's the way it is...why do people complain so much, good grief!

This year, when those liberal activists head to the homeless shelter and retirement homes to truck voters to the election, tell those activists to not inform their carpool buddies to vote for Kerry... tell em to hit the third button of punch the third hole....

remember many of those homeless people are barely literate and/or to inebriated to read... and those old people have bad eyesight and shaky hands.... you may want to go into the booths with them this time!

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forgot something... this year if you vote in your home state of New York... don't vote again in Florida... those (*)(*)(*)(*) Bushies decided to actually start checking on you guys...

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I was banned from godlike productions... and loved it.

During the recount in 2000, I remember watching CNN interview people who had been denied their right to vote. What you mean by no civil rights organization being able to find these people makes no sense. CNN found these people. The people didn't, shall we say, suffer in silence.

I wouldn't be surprised to hear the news speculate about who people were voting for based on exit polls, but with no access to the election results, I doubt that CNN or anyone else would announce a winner. And, even if they did, a person would have to be STUPID to believe them. Are you sure that what you are talking about isn't exit polls? Because if it was exit polls, that is pretty common. If not, would you link to a story about CNN calling the election for Bush while the polls were still open?

Every mistake was not just some "erroneous information." Every mistake was a person who was disenfranchised. Stop trying to make it sound as if the only problem was that the names were misspelled.

Oh my God...he wanted to follow the law. How dirty of him.

If you are referring to the touch screen ballots, then we should all be concerned. It has been proven that they are easily hackable and with no paper receipts, no recount will be possible.

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Stop arguing and read the report. All the answers are right there. That means you JP5....

http://permanent.access.gpo.gov/lps1...3588/exsum.htm

Read it!