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[momrobare]

[quote=frodly;702914]I love when joe schmos who did one semester of community college call obama, a man with a harvard law degree, a complete idiot!!!
QUOTE]As opposed to those who say that Barak's community service is a GREAT prerequisite for becoming POTUS?

[Guy Fawkes]

Nope nothing changed, I still know everything and I am always correct ANy questions? hahaahaahahahahaaa

[Spare]

[quote=momrobare;703100]

Originally Posted by frodly

I love when joe schmos who did one semester of community college call obama, a man with a harvard law degree, a complete idiot!!!
QUOTE]As opposed to those who say that Barak's community service is a GREAT prerequisite for becoming POTUS?

Then, allow me ... the man is a complete idiot. (I have a little more than one semester of community college)

His "community service" (which, frankly, is VERY questionable) does not prepare him to be POTUS. His 143 days in Congress does NOT prepare him to be POTUS. If you study what the man says, you quickly discover that he has no idea how the government is run, how to run an organization of that magnitude, and he is completely clueless in the areas of foreign policy and economy management. His ignorance is part of what attracts people - he doesn't know, and they don't know, that what he says is untenable, in some cases, purely nonsensical, and in most cases impracticable.

[momrobare]

[quote=Spare;703145]

Originally Posted by momrobare

Then, allow me ... the man is a complete idiot. (I have a little more than one semester of community college)

His "community service" (which, frankly, is VERY questionable) does not prepare him to be POTUS. His 143 days in Congress does NOT prepare him to be POTUS. If you study what the man says, you quickly discover that he has no idea how the government is run, how to run an organization of that magnitude, and he is completely clueless in the areas of foreign policy and economy management. His ignorance is part of what attracts people - he doesn't know, and they don't know, that what he says is untenable, in some cases, purely nonsensical, and in most cases impracticable.

I knew I phrased that wrong. I am by no means an obama supporter! I was trying to compare those justifying Obama being POTUS with only community service with those being called out for calling the man a complete idiot! IMO...he IS a complete idiot and his community service nor 1 year of actual work in the senate qualifies him to be POTUS!

[NewThirdParty]

Originally Posted by Spare

Then, allow me ... the man is a complete idiot. (I have a little more than one semester of community college)

His "community service" (which, frankly, is VERY questionable) does not prepare him to be POTUS. His 143 days in Congress does NOT prepare him to be POTUS. If you study what the man says, you quickly discover that he has no idea how the government is run, how to run an organization of that magnitude, and he is completely clueless in the areas of foreign policy and economy management. His ignorance is part of what attracts people - he doesn't know, and they don't know, that what he says is untenable, in some cases, purely nonsensical, and in most cases impracticable.

I would like you to listen to Obama and tell me where you think he portrays that he doesn't know how a government is run.

What difference do you honestly think his 143 days in politics to McCains years really make? What does McCain know that Obama doesn't? What will McCain do that Obama won't BECAUSE of this experience? The only true difference between these two candidates experience is the time they've spent filtering what they believe into a politically correct version (McCain needs all that extra time).

With an office full of advisers, do you think that Obamas inexperience in POLITICS will make a difference? What has McCain done in his career? So far he's failed... Do you want an experienced failure in your driver's seat or a new guy with alot of potential?

To be a president you must be a leader, you have to have the ability to rally people together for a common cause. To be a leader you need a vision and you need to share that vision with those around you and inspire them to want that vision. To be a leader you have to be able lead, and I don't think McCain can do that. Obama on the other hand, already is...

[Joe1991]

Originally Posted by Spare

If you study what the man says, you quickly discover that he has no idea how the government is run, how to run an organization of that magnitude, and he is completely clueless in the areas of foreign policy and economy management. His ignorance is part of what attracts people - he doesn't know, and they don't know, that what he says is untenable, in some cases, purely nonsensical, and in most cases impracticable.

...you sure you're not talking about Dubya instead of the Harvard law professor?

[MidwestMax]

Originally Posted by Joe1991

...you sure you're not talking about Dubya instead of the Harvard law professor?

poor libs ... they still think Bush is running.

[Spare]

Originally Posted by NewThirdParty

I would like you to listen to Obama and tell me where you think he portrays that he doesn't know how a government is run.

What difference do you honestly think his 143 days in politics to McCains years really make? What does McCain know that Obama doesn't? What will McCain do that Obama won't BECAUSE of this experience? The only true difference between these two candidates experience is the time they've spent filtering what they believe into a politically correct version (McCain needs all that extra time).

With an office full of advisers, do you think that Obamas inexperience in POLITICS will make a difference? What has McCain done in his career? So far he's failed... Do you want an experienced failure in your driver's seat or a new guy with alot of potential?

To be a president you must be a leader, you have to have the ability to rally people together for a common cause. To be a leader you need a vision and you need to share that vision with those around you and inspire them to want that vision. To be a leader you have to be able lead, and I don't think McCain can do that. Obama on the other hand, already is...

I have listened to Obama -- I wanted to support him -- at great length. His lack of knowledge is exposed at every turn ... the latest being his gaffe about taking the Georgia issue to the Security Council. His changes in policy are a direct result of his lack of knowledge, not a change of heart. The depth of his knowledge is quickly exposed when asked to respond to a question without cue cards. He truly doesn't know very much ... Let us not forget that we elect the President to do what WE want --- not what he wants.

I think it is naive, and dangerous, to really believe that he will be able to change the way Washington works ... bureaucrats there are comforted by one thing .... in four years, the POTUS, and all his political appointees will be gone, and they will still be there. Change in Washington will have to be mandated by Congress, and even then, it would move against amazing resistance. Congress has shown no tendency to remake its power base, and no amount of exhortation from the White House will make that happen.

As for Obama's advisers, take a close look. The only advisers he has that have actual feet-on-the-ground experience came over from the Clinton campaign in an attempt to rescue the Democratic presidential race. When he takes office, he will, rightly, appoint his own people. But, given the Rev Wrights, the Father Pflegers, the Tony Rezkos, the Michelle Obamas, the Mayor Daileys, and convicted anti-establishment bombers, gives you a clear indication of the type he will be appointing.

As for Obama as a leader, he is hardly that .... leaders don't build consensus, shout campaign slogans, put the blame and the onus on you. Leaders take charge, set direction, demand compliance, and move forward. Obama has not shown an ability to do any of those. Management schools would not call him a leader --- they would call him a facilitator. When you look to him for direction, you get pandering, you get mealy mouth answers, you get platitudes.

[MidwestMax]

Not a bit. Still voting AGAINST Obama.

[The Rubix Cuban]

This forum has made me realise that whether you're liberal/conservative or democrat/republican that both parties are a bunch of (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)(*)bags and that we need a 3rd party REAL bad.