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Old 08-23-2008, 12:19 PM
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I am willing to excuse your embarrassing ignorance (upon which your congratulate yourself!), and offer a step-by-step review of the carbon footprint references in this thread.

I certainly hope you're able to follow along.

First of all, a short lesson to educate the uninformed of what, exactly, a carbon footprint is:

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A carbon footprint is made up of the sum of two parts, the primary footprint and the secondary footprint.

1. The primary footprint is a measure of our direct emissions of CO2 from the burning of fossil fuels including domestic energy consumption and transportation (e.g. car and plane).

2. The secondary footprint is a measure of the indirect CO2 emissions from the whole lifecycle of products we use - those associated with their manufacture and eventual breakdown.
Now, the first reference to a (primary) carbon footprint appeared in post 93, where E_Pluribus_Venom commented on the fuel needed to operate the flotilla of vehicles used by Mr. Mccain to purchase a nice, steamy latte.

The second reference to a (primary) carbon footprint came in post 95, where catmando noted the egregious waste of fuel needed to operate the flotilla of vehicles used by Mr. Mccain to purchase a nice, steamy latte.

In post 101, glitch made two references to a (primary) carbon footprint; the egregious waste of fuel needed to operate the flotilla of vehicles used by Mr. Mccain to purchase a nice, steamy latte, and the fuel used to fly Senator Obama's campaign jet to Hawaii for a working vacation.

In post 102, Whaler made a reference to a (secondary) carbon footprint, comparing the residential carbon footprints of Mr. Gore and Mr. Bush.

Finally, in post 103, I responded to Whaler's reference by wondering what sort of (secondary) carbon footprint was made by Mr. McCain's numerous homes.



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Old 08-25-2008, 09:39 AM
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6-car motorcade ... huge difference 12thmom ... thanks for illuminating us to that huge difference. i accept* your inference that average joes could be expected to take a 6-car caravan to starbucks


*of course i don't accept that right wingnut drivel
Nice lie...meanwhile Obama does the same thing to go to the gym. Huge difference. Pfffftttt....that's the sound of the air going out of your argument.
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Obama does the same thing to go to the gym.
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Old 08-26-2008, 01:05 AM
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No, b/c:

Nobody is going to care how many homes the man has, the media might & Olbermann, but regular joes wont.

They will view it as another "attack the rich" thing, which is status quo from Obama, which is hurting him.

The only "stupid" thing I see, is Obama going negative, after he was suppose to be the candidate of "Hope" and "Change", along with a "New Kind of Politics", which is where this will inevitably fall. There is a reason why Obama is losing votes from Democrats, and it is precisely b/c they are slowly figuring out that the man is full of (*)(*)(*)(*). He sold them on the new kind of politics and change, that has proven to be anything but.

So no, this attack on McCain will be gone by next Friday b/c the conventions are coming up and Obama has more to worry about then how many homes the McCain's have.
I don't care how many homes his wife has. I do care that he doesn't know. The reasoning is quite simple really. He wants us to entrust him with the nation's checkbook. He has obviously been sucking off of his wife's financial titty for so long that he has NO CLUE what paying $150 for a half dozen bags of groceries feels like. The houses and the 9-car caravan for a latte are symptomatic of him being COMPLETELY out of touch with the regular joes you think don't care.

The questions I have for him have nothing to do with his houses or his prissy coffee. I want to know what he is going to do about the price of food. I want to know what he is going to do about the price of gas. I want to know what he is going to do about the availability of credit so that housing prices stop falling. I want to know what he is going to do to stabilize a stock market that is bouncing up and down like a hooker on extasy. I want to know what he is going to do about a dollar that's in the crapper. I want to know what he is going to do about those things on January 20, 2009. I don't give a rat's ass what he's going to do that will have an effect 2, 3, or 4 years out. If he moves to do something that will help the middle-class TODAY - RIGHT NOW - in addition to being floored, I'll be impressed. I won't vote for him, but I'll give credit where it's due. But I'm also not holding my breath.
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Threads like this are wonderful examples of how the Far Left is full of very very very very Stupid people who think others are even dumber then they are.
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What I find stupid is that you don't think they both are out of touch with America.
Let's look at that.

Obama's mom - needed food stamps to feed him when he was young
McCain's mom - went out for a haircut and came back with a Mercedes

Obama - went to public schools
McCain - went to an exclusive private school

Obama - took out student loans to pay for the education he craved and finished magna cum laude
McCain - reluctantly went to school on our nickle and finished in the bottom 5 of his class

Obama - worked with low income, inner-city folks to help them help themselves
McCain - was a playboy in a 'Vette, cheating on his wife until he hit the lottery and married a rich heiress

Obama - net worth of $1.3 million
McCain - net worth of $40.4 million (mostly his wife's)

You don't forget living on food stamps or paying off student loans. Apparently, you do forget how many houses your wealthy wife owns.
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Obama's mom - needed food stamps to feed him when he was young
I'm not entirely sure that's true. Barack said she was on food stamps while getting her PhD. He was living with his grandparents then.
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McCain's mom - went out for a haircut and came back with a Mercedes
That's great. I wanna link for that one. We sure weren't paid that well when I was a military wife.

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Obama - went to public schools
NO. He went to a private school.
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McCain - went to an exclusive private school
Evil rich people.

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Obama - took out student loans to pay for the education he craved and finished magna cum laude
Too bad he couldn't get a scholarship. Only magna, huh?
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McCain - reluctantly went to school on our nickle and finished in the bottom 5 of his class
Uh... Naval Academy...

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Obama - worked with low income, inner-city folks to help them help themselves
While his wife raked in big bucks doing her own selfless community service.
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McCain - was a playboy in a 'Vette, cheating on his wife until he hit the lottery and married a rich heiress
Evil rich people. She even had the gall to adopt a poor little Bangledesh baby - probably just for show.

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Obama - net worth of $1.3 million
Wow. That's even more pathetic than I thought. What did he do with the other $3 million he made last year?
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McCain - net worth of $40.4 million (mostly his wife's)
Evil rich people...
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I'm not entirely sure that's true. Barack said she was on food stamps while getting her PhD. He was living with his grandparents then.
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But last week, another, much lesser known detail emerged in Obama's story - that his mother once received food stamps in the mid-1970s, when she was raising him and his younger sister alone after his father left, and while she was attending graduate school.
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That's great. I wanna link for that one. We sure weren't paid that well when I was a military wife.
Sorry. It wasn't a haircut. She went out to buy a new dress and came home with a new Mercedes...

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His mother, a wealthy oil heiress, has been described as "the Auntie Mame of Navy wives." The family still chuckles about the day she went on an errand to buy a new dress, and came home with a new Mercedes instead.
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So Johnny's old man taught him well about marrying into money...

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NO. He went to a private school.
I stand corrected. He received scholarships to attend a private school.

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Evil rich people.
Not evil at all. But certainly not conducive to an elitist argument against his opponent.

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Too bad he couldn't get a scholarship. Only magna, huh?
Let's see you get magna at Harvard Law.

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Since Obama was already out of school and working, presumably he would not meet the threshold of need-based scholarships, and would then have to take out loans.

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Uh... Naval Academy...
So? He never paid any money for his education, and finished in the bottom 5 of his class. He didn't even want to go to the USNA in the first place. Sounds to me like a spoiled rich kid that has no idea how good he's got it. And don't give me 5-1/2 years as a POW paid for it. His obligation to remain in the Navy was up in 1963, 4 years before he got shot down.

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While his wife raked in big bucks doing her own selfless community service.
How about a link? I know a lot of people that work for non-profits, and none of them are raking in money.

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Evil rich people. She even had the gall to adopt a poor little Bangledesh baby - probably just for show.
I never said she was evil, just rich. And also McCain's sugar-momma.

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Wow. That's even more pathetic than I thought. What did he do with the other $3 million he made last year?
Looks like I got both figures wrong...

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[3] Estimated net worth of $1.3M, according to Money magazine, December 2007. See also Henry Blodget, "Barack Obama and His Money", Slate, 13 March 2007: "According to Obama's most recent public financial statements, he and his wife, Michelle, were worth between $500,000 and $2 million at the end of 2005 (excluding whatever equity they have in their $1.65 million Chicago house)." Presumably much of this is from pre-tax royalties of $1.2M for The Audacity of Hope. None of Obama's wealth is inherited. The Obama family's 2007 tax returns indicate a combined income of $4.2M, nearly all from book royalties. They paid $1.4M in federal taxes, with donations of $240K to charity.
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[2] Sheldon Alberts, "McCain, Heiress Wife Worth Almost $100 Million", Canwest News Service, 21 August 2008. John McCain's personal tax return reported $259K income in 2007, with Cindy McCain's last publicly released tax return, 2006, reported $6M in taxable income.
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So in reality, the McCain's have 25 times as much net worth as the Obama's, grew up in wealth and ease, and Johnny has the temerity to call Obama an elitist. Gimme a F'n break.

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Evil rich people...
They are when they have the arrogance to tell me that the economy is just rosy and that people who think otherwise are just whiners.

Over the course of McCain's life, there are 5-1/2 years that he hasn't had a silver spoon crammed up his ass. I wouldn't wish those 5-1/2 years on anyone, but the fact is he has no more idea what it is to live paycheck to paycheck than the Crown Prince of England. Obama does know that.
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Elitism has very little to do with money it has more to do with how a person acts.

You can tell Obama is an elitist snob just watching his mannerims..the most noticeable being the head tilt.
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In other words, "McCain got coffee."

The sad thing is that this is post #120.....
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