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Old 09-22-2004, 08:26 AM
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Default Muslims,Jews overwhelmingly for Kerry. Who is a real uniter?

American Muslims Overwhelmingly Backing Kerry; Major Shift from 2000 Election,New American Muslim Poll by Project MAPS/Zogby Reveals

By a margin of 76% to 7%, Muslims back the Kerry/Edwards ticket over the incumbent Bush/Cheney ticket. This is a stark reversal of fortunes from the 2000 election for Mr. Bush. This contrasts sharply with the 2000 election, when Mr. Bush garnered 42% of the Muslim vote versus 31% for Democrat Al Gore. When the question is expanded to include minor party candidates, Mr. Kerry’s lead is cut to 68% versus Mr. Bush’s 7%, with independent candidate Ralph Nader picking up 11%.

So pronounced is the movement away from Mr. Bush that he fails to capture even those Muslim voters calling themselves politically conservative, where Mr. Kerry leads him by a two-to-one margin. The new poll also shows a migration away from the Republican Party by Muslim voters. In 2001, 23% of Muslims identified themselves as Republicans while 40% called themselves Democrats and 28% independents. Now, only 12% call themselves Republicans while 50% of Muslims are Democrats and 31% are independents.

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Iraq War Leads Jewish Voters To Kerry, Poll Finds

If the election were held today, 69 percent of Jewish voters would support Kerry, 24 percent would back Bush and 3 percent would give their votes to Ralph Nader, the survey found. That's an increase of 10 percentage points for Kerry since December, when the previous AJC poll showed him with 59 percent of the Jewish vote.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Sep21.html
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Muslims want the guy who won't be as strong in the war on terror. A war that is against Muslims. I miss the surprise in those stats. Also, the 24% Bush gets is slightly better than historical averages for Jewish voters. That figure from earlier in the year was at a peak (mostly because of expressed support for Israel). You neglect to mention that.
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Default Yeah bush is so strong he attacked the wrong country...

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Muslims want the guy who won't be as strong in the war on terror. A war that is against Muslims. I miss the surprise in those stats. Also, the 24% Bush gets is slightly better than historical averages for Jewish voters. That figure from earlier in the year was at a peak (mostly because of expressed support for Israel). You neglect to mention that.
Hahahahahaha!!!!

At least Kerry can point to Iraq on a map.....

BTW, thanks for finally admitting that this is a war against Muslims. I just wish that your "christian" leader had the sack to do the same....
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Muslims want the guy who won't be as strong in the war on terror. A war that is against Muslims. I miss the surprise in those stats. Also, the 24% Bush gets is slightly better than historical averages for Jewish voters. That figure from earlier in the year was at a peak (mostly because of expressed support for Israel). You neglect to mention that.
Hahahahahaha!!!!

At least Kerry can point to Iraq on a map.....

BTW, thanks for finally admitting that this is a war against Muslims. I just wish that your "christian" leader had the sack to do the same....
I must have missed that, can you link it for me where Kerry said the war on terror is against Muslims? Thanks in advance.

And it isn't a war on Muslims as much as it is a war against countries whose inhabitants are Muslim. If it were against ALL Muslims as you hint at then we'd be at war against Sudan, the Saudi's, Syria, etc. See the difference?
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Muslims want the guy who won't be as strong in the war on terror. A war that is against Muslims. I miss the surprise in those stats. Also, the 24% Bush gets is slightly better than historical averages for Jewish voters. That figure from earlier in the year was at a peak (mostly because of expressed support for Israel). You neglect to mention that.
Hahahahahaha!!!!

At least Kerry can point to Iraq on a map.....

BTW, thanks for finally admitting that this is a war against Muslims. I just wish that your "christian" leader had the sack to do the same....
I must have missed that, can you link it for me where Kerry said the war on terror is against Muslims? Thanks in advance.

And it isn't a war on Muslims as much as it is a war against countries whose inhabitants are Muslim. If it were against ALL Muslims as you hint at then we'd be at war against Sudan, the Saudi's, Syria, etc. See the difference?

From YOUR post....QUOTE "A war that is against Muslims."

You are misquoting yourself, which is amazing in and of itself, but how in the WORLD did you extrapolate your comment about this being a war on muslims, me thanking your for finally admitting what no-one on the right will (namely that this isn't so much a war on "terror" but one against Muslims) do the same, and then suggesting that John Kerry said that????

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How is this a war on Muslims? It's a war on Terror, we target terrorists not Muslims. The predominate religion for these terrorists happens to be the Muslim beliefs, but that's not why they are being targeted. If I had it my way, we would kill all religion and be free of any god once and for all. But that won't happen till 2024 when I take over the world and kill all those that have big ears.
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Muslims want the guy who won't be as strong in the war on terror. A war that is against Muslims. I miss the surprise in those stats.
These are polls of U.S. citizens. Why does it make sense that U.S. citizens who happen to be Muslim want a guy who's weak on terror? They want to be safe like everyone else.

The only way such a sentence AND support for Bush makes sense is if you think U.S. Muslims are mostly terrorist sympathizers.
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Muslims want the guy who won't be as strong in the war on terror. A war that is against Muslims. I miss the surprise in those stats. Also, the 24% Bush gets is slightly better than historical averages for Jewish voters. That figure from earlier in the year was at a peak (mostly because of expressed support for Israel). You neglect to mention that.
Hahahahahaha!!!!

At least Kerry can point to Iraq on a map.....

BTW, thanks for finally admitting that this is a war against Muslims. I just wish that your "christian" leader had the sack to do the same....
I must have missed that, can you link it for me where Kerry said the war on terror is against Muslims? Thanks in advance.

And it isn't a war on Muslims as much as it is a war against countries whose inhabitants are Muslim. If it were against ALL Muslims as you hint at then we'd be at war against Sudan, the Saudi's, Syria, etc. See the difference?

From YOUR post....QUOTE "A war that is against Muslims."

You are misquoting yourself, which is amazing in and of itself, but how in the WORLD did you extrapolate your comment about this being a war on muslims, me thanking your for finally admitting what no-one on the right will (namely that this isn't so much a war on "terror" but one against Muslims) do the same, and then suggesting that John Kerry said that????

It is a war against countries that happen to be Muslim, not a war against all Muslims. You misinterpreted the intention of my comment. My comment about Kerry comes into play in that you inferred Bush should admit it's a war on all Muslims and that he should admit it. My point is that if it's a war against all Muslims then Kerry should say the same thing, he has not.
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Muslims want the guy who won't be as strong in the war on terror. A war that is against Muslims. I miss the surprise in those stats.
These are polls of U.S. citizens. Why does it make sense that U.S. citizens who happen to be Muslim want a guy who's weak on terror? They want to be safe like everyone else.

The only way such a sentence AND support for Bush makes sense is if you think U.S. Muslims are mostly terrorist sympathizers.
But I'll refer back to polls after 9/11 where almost 50% of Muslims felt sympathy for the plight of Al Qaeda. Where we have spent a year in Iraq as well as arresting Muslims around the world I have no doubts many believe Bush is picking on Muslims.
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Muslims want the guy who won't be as strong in the war on terror. A war that is against Muslims. I miss the surprise in those stats.
These are polls of U.S. citizens. Why does it make sense that U.S. citizens who happen to be Muslim want a guy who's weak on terror? They want to be safe like everyone else.

The only way such a sentence AND support for Bush makes sense is if you think U.S. Muslims are mostly terrorist sympathizers.
I'm sorry....I'll say it. I tend to think many of them are. Not so much that they actually support terrorists acts.....but they support the alledged reasons for such attacks. I think that many of them also think it's a war mostly on their religion....which it is NOT, of course....but I think it's what many of them fear.

A recent example of such is Cat Stevens. I've read some things about him.....and while he's actually even written songs about "peace" and denounced terrorist acts with his words..........he's also actually raised money for and supported Hamas. Well.....Hamas is a terrorists organization which commits terrorists acts. Words and acts don't always jive.

It's like someone responding to a wife who kills her husband as a horrible thing.....but also think it's somewhat justified because they believe he had been beating her for years. I think many Muslims believe they are the ones being discriminated against....and being mistreated....when in actuality it is the intolerance of their relgiion that keeps them from living peacefully side-by-side with people of other religions and cultures.
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