What Hillary supporters Heard Last Night - Page 4

Cajun Controller · #31 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by farmer_fred

The Rethugs and conbots hate a fair fight.

There is no such thing as a fair fight. That is unless you want to lose.

farmer_fred · #32 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 08:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajun Controller

There is no such thing as a fair fight. That is unless you want to lose.

I see where the conbots get their "ethics".

Cajun Controller · #33 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by farmer_fred

I see where the conbots get their "ethics".

Jealous are ya?

Southpaw · #34 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 08:31 AM

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Still no support? I figured as much.

http://www.dollarsandsense.org/archi...997duboff.html

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Yet the evidence shows the opposite. First, recent research by Kate Bronfenbrenner of Cornell University confirms that globalization shifts bargaining power toward employers and against U.S. workers. Bronfenbrenner found that since the signing of NAFTA more than half of employers faced with union organizing and contract drives have threatened to close their plants in response. And 15% of firms involved in union bargaining have actually closed part or all of their plants—three times the rate during the late 1980s.

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Harvard's Dani Rodrik focuses on how globalized trade and investment not only allow employers to reduce their need for low-skilled labor in the Triad, but also make companies more likely to jettison workers when wages rise even modestly. Small wage increases may cause large-scale layoffs, if producers can switch to lower-wage options abroad.

The result, notes Rodrik, is that workers have less bargaining power. The global spread of production makes it harder for unions and workers in the developed world to defend their relatively high wages and good working conditions against the credible threat to close up shop and shift production of goods elsewhere. Mainstream economists generally ignore bargaining power as an issue; Krugman's assumption that Mexican "widget" workers would be able to push up their wages to match any productivity gains is a perfect example.

Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, the mere threat by multinational managers to relocate production abroad may be sufficient to wring wage concessions from their workers, who will nonetheless remain vulnerable to escalated threats in the future. "Demonstration effects" like this have always been a weapon of choice for capital in its confrontations with labor.

http://www.lewrockwell.com/machan/machan50.html
- Professor of Business at Stanford

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That, of course, decreases the competitiveness of the company’s products, increasing the pressure to take the business someplace where unions haven’t gotten into bed with governments in order to be able to perpetrate the extortion to which they are clearly not entitled but which they has managed to finagle with the force of law!

Once again it is government, at the urgings of vested interests, that has managed to make the American job market too expensive for at least a portion of employers and thus has contributed to driving them to seek a more hospitable climate.

http://www.globalenvision.org/library/3/1712/

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The Argument For Outsourcing of course is not new. It involves moving work from one company to another that can do the same job at a lower cost. Generally, it is domestic movement: from a union shop paying $20 an hour with benefits to a nonunion shop paying $10 an hour with few benefits.

The "jobless recovery" and the loss of higher paying tech and engineering jobs to India and China has added the new term "offshoring"--outsourcing in new clothes--to the front pages of the media. Generally, Outsourcing is a domestic movement: from a union shop paying 20 USD an hour with benefits to a nonunion shop paying 10 USD an hour with few benefits.

http://neweconomist.blogs.com/new_ec...1/kramarz.html
- Effect of unions on employment levels in EU

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To see how unions potentially entered the process, I re- examine my results when information on firm-level negotiations between firms and unions is added. As expected, in firms with strong unions (those able to impose bargaining on both employment and wages) workers were able to capture a large share of the declining quasi-rent (about 50%). However, the presence of strong unions has apparently led these, mostly large, firms to increase outsourcing with an associated decline in employment. As a result, unions' fight for workers' wages and employment appears to have backfired.

There, I've provided my proof that unions drive wages up and thus increase costs of production to the point where companies often look for jobs overseas.

Now you provide yours.

PatriotNews · #35 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 08:41 AM

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I am honored to be here tonight. A proud mother. A proud Democrat. A proud American. And a proud supporter of Barack Obama.

I should be giving my acceptance speech you idiots.

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My friends, it is time to take back the country we love.

Because as you all know it was stolen from us by the unelected George Bush.

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Whether you voted for me, or voted for Barack, the time is now to unite as a single party with a single purpose. We are on the same team, and none of us can sit on the sidelines.

Single party government is what this country needs.

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This is a fight for the future. And it's a fight we must win.

Otherwise, there will be no future.

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I haven't spent the past 35 years in the trenches advocating for children, campaigning for universal health care, helping parents balance work and family, and fighting for women's rights at home and around the world

This we all know.

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to see another Republican in the White House squander the promise of our country and the hopes of our people.

We all know how good republicans are at squadering promise and hope.

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And you haven't worked so hard over the last 18 months, or endured the last eight years, to suffer through more failed leadership.

This must be a reference to Howard Dean.

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I will always remember the single mom who had adopted two kids with autism, didn't have health insurance and discovered she had cancer. But she greeted me with her bald head painted with my name on it and asked me to fight for health care.

Who the heck lets a single mom who can't afford health care adopt not one but two children with autism?

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I will always remember the young man in a Marine Corps t-shirt who waited months for medical care and said to me: "Take care of my buddies; a lot of them are still over there....and then will you please help take care of me?"

Will you be my mommy state?

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Jobs lost, houses gone, falling wages, rising prices. The Supreme Court in a right-wing headlock and our government in partisan gridlock. The biggest deficit in our nation's history. Money borrowed from the Chinese to buy oil from the Saudis.

Democrats will wave a magic wand, and all of these problems will go away for ever.

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Putin and Georgia, Iraq and Iran.

I have no opinion on these things, just thought I'd do a little name dropping so as to have the illusion of intelligence.

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I ran for President to renew the promise of America. To rebuild the middle class and sustain the American Dream, to provide the opportunity to work hard and have that work rewarded, to save for college, a home and retirement, to afford the gas and groceries and still have a little left over each month.

Very little left over each month. I want the rest of it. God forbid you dumb peons actually keep some of your own money and become wealthy. You wouldn't need blathering idiots like me.

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To create a health care system that is universal

Because if we can convince you that there is a constitutional right to free health care, we could set a precedent which would allow us to take over any industry. Everybody needs food right? Take over the farm industry and everyone gets free food. Everyone needs electricity - take over the energy companies! Everyone needs housing, right? Free housing. Everyone needs a car to get around right? Free cars and free gas!

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To help every child live up to his or her God-given potential

At least those children we haven't killed in the womb.

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Were you in it for all the people in this country who feel invisible?

Invisible people, ah, we need the democrat party to take care of the invisible people.

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Now, John McCain is my colleague and my friend.

He has served our country with honor and courage.

My not so obvious endorsement because if I openly said I want Obama to lose so I could run again in 4 years, I couldn't run again in 4 years.

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John McCain doesn't think that 47 million people without health insurance is a crisis

If you're gonna make up numbers Hillary why not say 470 million people without health insurance?

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Nothing less than the fate of our nation and the future of our children hang in the balance

Those children who make it passed the 3rd trimester anyway.

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That is our duty, to build that bright future, and to teach our children that in America there is no chasm too deep, no barrier too great - and no ceiling too high - for all who work hard, never back down, always keep going, have faith in God, in our country, and in each other.

Blah, blah, blah, I have to mention God so you won't know I that I think I am God. And after spewing on about what a lousy country you live in I have to end this speech on a positive note. Sieg Heil!

farmer_fred · #36 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 08:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Cajun Controller

Jealous are ya?

Jealous of people with shady ethics and no integrity?

farmer_fred · #37 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by PatriotNews

I should be....<massive snippage of lies>

Another con-bot attempting to speak for a Democrat. How tiring.

farmer_fred · #38 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

There, I've provided my proof that unions drive wages up and thus increase costs of production to the point where companies often look for jobs overseas.

Your proof sucks, and is opinion. How do you explain the non-union jobs lost to outsourcing?

Danik · #39 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Mellon Collie

How does unionization make jobs go oversea? Your argument has no foundation.

It depends on how illogical the union chooses to be in their actions. The auto workers union is a great example of such. They tried to keep wages that were 2 to 3 times that of other 1st and 2nd world workers, while also being promised pension plans and health care plans that were beyond ridiculous. When wages were going to be cut, they threatened or went on strike. It's this type of ignorance among the common man that can drive companies out of the nation. Left extremists who think they are entitled to whatever number comes in their mind are just as dangerous as those who try to lowball people any chance they get for a profit. Both result in a bad outcome. Living in America is about working hard and achieving goals by using whatever abilities one has to provide in society. This country has very quickly become a mindset of "I'm entitled to this and that just because I'm born here." It doesn't work that way. You can't have thousands if not millions of people drop out of high school, refuse to save for college or other things, and claim that they deserve such and such because they say so. Another big issue in this nation is that service jobs are about economies of scale. You can't flood the market with people who graduate from college, some of whom are a joke, and expect to earn a high wage. If someone gets a degree in English, they better have some skills in a competitive environment. If not, what do I care that they have read various forms of literature? If someone gets a degree in Art, I hope they have the artistic skills to produce things that people want. If not, why should I be forced to support their hobby? Just because someone has a passion for something, doesn't mean that they will necessarily be compensated for it because quite frankly it could go against the very thing a nation needs a worker to do.

Cajun Controller · #40 (**permalink**) 08-27-2008, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by farmer_fred

Jealous of people with shady ethics and no integrity?

Are you questioning my ethics and integrity now? What do you know of me other than I don't agree with your views, or opinions?

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