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Old 09-10-2008, 06:27 PM
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[Anchorage Daily News, 3/28/97]

“Wasilla got a new police chief Thursday, one who said he will bring to the job a philosophy of personal freedom that doesn’t include his predecessor’s support of limiting bar hours…’I don’t think the answer to crime is restricting people’s freedom more and more.’ Fannon is replacing Irl Stambaugh, whom the mayor fired in January. Palin said she did not think Stambaugh supported her administration…Stambaugh has sued the city, alleging Palin fired him because local bar owners and the National Rifle Association asked the mayor to do so. Stambaugh wanted the city to adopt earlier bar closings as a way to combat alcohol-related traffic accidents, according to the complaint.”
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Published on Monday, May 22, 2000 9:00 PM AKDT
JO C. GOODE / The Frontiersman / May 23, 2000

ANCHORAGE - Gov. Tony Knowles recently signed legislation protecting victims of sexual assault from being billed for tests to collect evidence of the crime, but one local police chief said the new law will further burden taxpayers.

The governor signed House Bill 270, sponsored by Rep. Eric Croft, D-Anchorage, outside the Sexual Assault Response Team (SART) exam room at Alaska Regional Hospital. In attendance at the signing were members of victims advocate groups, law enforcement agencies and legislators.

The new law makes it illegal for any law enforcement agency to bill victims or victims insurance companies for the costs of examinations that take place to collect evidence of a sexual assault or determine if a sexual assault did occur.

We would never bill the victim of a burglary for fingerprinting and photographing the crime scene, or for the cost of gathering other evidence, Knowles said. Nor should we bill rape victims just because the crime scene happens to be their bodies.

While the Alaska State Troopers and most municipal police agencies have covered the cost of exams, which cost between $300 to $1,200 apiece, the Wasilla police department does charge the victims of sexual assault for the tests.

Wasilla Police Chief Charlie Fannon does not agree with the new legislation, saying the law will require the city and communities to come up with more funds to cover the costs of the forensic exams.

In the past we’ve charged the cost of exams to the victims insurance company when possible. I just dont want to see any more burden put on the taxpayer, Fannon said.

According to Fannon, the new law will cost the Wasilla Police Department approximately $5,000 to $14,000 a year to collect evidence for sexual assault cases.

Ultimately it is the criminal who should bear the burden of the added costs, Fannon said.

The forensic exam is just one part of the equation. Id like to see the courts make these people pay restitution for these things, Fannon said.

Fannon said he intends to include the cost of exams required to collect evidence in a restitution request as a part of a criminals sentencing.

Palmer police chief Laren Zager said that to his knowledge, no sexual assault victim has ever been billed by the city of Palmer for an exam to collect evidence of a crime. Zager, who has been police chief since January, said he would never expect a victim to be burdened with the cost of a police investigation.

I'm prepared to pay every dime in an investigation. As long as I am chief, I would never bill a victim, Zager said.

The new bill would also make law enforcement agencies that are investigating a sexual assault responsible for the costs of testing victims for sexually transmitted diseases and emergency contraception.”
Don't forget ladies. Once you've been raped....and paid for you're rape kit.......and found out you're pregnant......Ms. Palin will make sure that you have no choice but to have that child.
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There is a thread about this already, but yes, it is sickening. Palin practically rapes the victim all over again.
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total BS there is still laws allowing abortion, Imay be wrong but I believe that rape victims are provided the morning after pill. Nothing is going to be overturned in my opinion.You have as much chance of overturning Roe as you do collecting up all the guns in America
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total BS there is still laws allowing abortion, Imay be wrong but I believe that rape victims are provided the morning after pill. Nothing is going to be overturned in my opinion.You have as much chance of overturning Roe as you do collecting up all the guns in America
This isn't about that, though, this is about victims being required to pay for their own rape exam. No one could even dream of asking someone to pay for something like this after they have been violated, it's horrible.
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Don't forget ladies. Once you've been raped....and paid for you're rape kit.......and found out you're pregnant......Ms. Palin will make sure that you have no choice but to have that child.
Palin is not mentioned once in your article...
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This isn't about that, though, this is about victims being required to pay for their own rape exam. No one could even dream of asking someone to pay for something like this after they have been violated, it's horrible.
well I think that they're insurance should cover most , if they have it. the rest should be cover through a hospital write off . or a donation from a trust etc
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Police Chief Accused Palin of Politically-Motivated Firing
[Anchorage Daily News, 3/28/97]

“Wasilla got a new police chief Thursday, one who said he will bring to the job a philosophy of personal freedom that doesn’t include his predecessor’s support of limiting bar hours…’I don’t think the answer to crime is restricting people’s freedom more and more.’ Fannon is replacing Irl Stambaugh, whom the mayor fired in January. Palin said she did not think Stambaugh supported her administration…Stambaugh has sued the city, alleging Palin fired him because local bar owners and the National Rifle Association asked the mayor to do so. Stambaugh wanted the city to adopt earlier bar closings as a way to combat alcohol-related traffic accidents, according to the complaint.”
Two thoughts. First off, when I worked for a local police agency, we changed mayors twice. Each time, we also changed police chiefs. The chief reports directly to the mayor and serves as a political appointee. It is STANDARD practice for mayors to appoint a new chief. I also work with several communities around the country and I have never yet seen a new mayor come in who DIDN'T replace the chief of police. It's NORMAL.

Beyond that, do you see that she replaced him with someone who actually did LESS to restrict personal freedoms in the city?

But, why should facts stand in the way of a politically-motivated hatchet job?

Of course Stambaugh was all over the news, he was sueing the city civilly for lost wages. Tell me, what was the outcome of that civil suit, in court? Haven't you ever heard of trying your case in the media before you go to court? That's what Chief Stambaugh and his attorney were doing, setting the stage for an outcome in their favor.

Do any of you know the outcome of this case?*

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As far as the rape kit discussion, it is standard practice in MANY cities/states to bill a rape victim's insurance for the examination which occurs in a hospital ER. It is considered MEDICAL TREATMENT, and in many cases, requires the presence of a doctor and/or RN in order to collect and document the evidence of rape. There is no place in that article where it suggests that women without insurance will be billed.

But, if the woman's insurance isn't billed, who is it that you think should have to eat the costs of the exam? Most local police agencies don't have the funds to pay for it, and the hospitals also aren't in the practice of offering free treatment. I love how democrats just think that costs like medical exams are FREE, or should be. Wrong. Someone will end up paying for that doctor's time, as well as the medical supplies used.

That's why we HAVE medical insurance in the U.S., to protect us in case of accident or harm. If you broke your leg in a car accident because someone else hit you witha car, do you think the police department would pay for your ER visit? Why do you consider it different in the instance of rape?

In cases of rape, it is standard practice to tack on associated costs to the defendant's court costs and fees if he/she is found guilty. However, those fees won't be paid until well after the trial. If the victim's insurance pays for it, then the defendent's fees will reimburse the insurance company for his malfeasance.

AND, Palin isn't even MENTIONED in that second article.

But, I'm sure that my comments here won't stop the hate-fest, or even slow it down.

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*Stambaugh, who sued for $500k, lost in civil court. He was told by the judge that he served as an at-will employee who could be fired at any point, for any reason, by the mayor (Palin). End of story. This is a dead issue. If Palin had done something wrong, she'd have paid a civil judgement.
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Palin is not mentioned once in your article...
Palin replaced the chief because he wasn't "supportive" of her administration. Since this law took a long time to develop, Wassila was in the middle of the controversy and the chief stood his ground through it all, it's clear that the chief and the Mayor were on the same page.
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total BS there is still laws allowing abortion, Imay be wrong but I believe that rape victims are provided the morning after pill. Nothing is going to be overturned in my opinion.You have as much chance of overturning Roe as you do collecting up all the guns in America
Newsflash. The next President will likely replace 3 supremes. If McCain does the appointing, Roe will be overturned. Don't kid yourself.
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Newsflash. The next President will likely replace 3 supremes. If McCain does the appointing, Roe will be overturned. Don't kid yourself.
What has McCain EVER done to decrease abortions? He is the least conservative republican in the Senate.

But, nice hyperbole. And, you're off topic.
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