Gibson's "Bush Doctrine" Gaffe - according to the man who coined the term!

Calminian · #1 (**permalink**) 09-12-2008, 05:09 PM

Ooops! This is too funny. I had a feeling about this and am now convinced it's going to backfire more than anyone imagined. The MSM just keeps stepping in it. My favorite columnist is blowing this one out of the water. He was the first to use the term and knows more about it than anyone.

Charlie Gibson's Gaffe
By Charles Krauthammer

A must read for anyone seeking the truth on this.

Quote:

"At times visibly nervous . . . Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of 'anticipatory self-defense.' "

-- New York Times, Sept. 12

Informed her? Rubbish.

The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.

There is no single meaning of the Bush Doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration -- and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.

He asked Palin, "Do you agree with the Bush Doctrine?"

She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, "In what respect, Charlie?"

Sensing his "gotcha" moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, Gibson grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine "is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense."

Wrong.

I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush Doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term......

And here's the real kicker. The most correct answer was much closer to Palin's answer than Gibson's.

Quote:

....the most sweeping formulation of the Bush approach to foreign policy and the one that most clearly and distinctively defines the Bush years: the idea that the fundamental mission of American foreign policy is to spread democracy throughout the world. It was most dramatically enunciated in Bush's second inaugural address: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."

entire article

So, what we have now, is a man that's pretty much pulled a Dan Rather. He'll be forever remembered as the dishonest partisan gotcha guy. Chalk another one up for Palin.

JMS · #2 (**permalink**) 09-12-2008, 05:22 PM

HAHAHA A FAKE APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!

check the original wiki page, from before the interview, this term was not attributed to krauthammer. the wiki page was last updated today -- wiki pages can be updated by just about anyone on the net.

nice try.

Calminian · #3 (**permalink**) 09-12-2008, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMS

HAHAHA A FAKE APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!

It's not an appeal to authority. He completely blows the entire case out of the water by explaining the evolving meaning of the term. Whether someone mentioned the term prior, is not the point. He is the foremost authority on this term. If you disagree, tell me why.

JP5 · #4 (**permalink**) 09-12-2008, 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calminian

Ooops! This is too funny. I had a feeling about this and am now convinced it's going to backfire more than anyone imagined. The MSM just keeps stepping in it. My favorite columnist is blowing this one out of the water. He was the first to use the term and knows more about it than anyone.

Charlie Gibson's Gaffe
By Charles Krauthammer

A must read for anyone seeking the truth on this.

And here's the real kicker. The most correct answer was much closer to Palin's answer than Gibson's.

entire article

So, what we have now, is a man that's pretty much pulled a Dan Rather. He'll be forever remembered as the dishonest partisan gotcha guy. Chalk another one up for Palin.

Hmmm....me thinks Krauthammer copied what I wrote just after this happened. Guess that means I was right on in my initial assessment of the Bush Doctrine question. God, I love it when I'm right!!! <G>

frodly · #5 (**permalink**) 09-12-2008, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Calminian

It's not an appeal to authority. He completely blows the entire case out of the water by explaining the evolving meaning of the term. Whether someone mentioned the term prior, is not the point. He is the foremost authority on this term. If you disagree, tell me why.

Again, conservatives are trying to defend her by saying Gibson was wrong too. Well, he is not running for VP, so I don't give a (*)(*)(*)(*). She had no idea what the bush doctrine was. And she is running for VP, so I do care about her not knowing.

JMS · #6 (**permalink**) 09-12-2008, 05:29 PM

no. forget about it simply being a logical fallacy. for you to have to even create the illusion of a logical fallacy means you have absolutely not credibility. the guys an absolute joke.

Calminian · #7 (**permalink**) 09-12-2008, 05:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMS

HAHAHA A FAKE APPEAL TO AUTHORITY!

check the original wiki page, from before the interview, this term was not attributed to krauthammer. the wiki page was last updated today -- wiki pages can be updated by just about anyone on the net.

nice try.

I don't even get what you're saying. Who does it attribute the term to? Your link doesn't say.

Calminian · #8 (**permalink**) 09-12-2008, 05:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JMS

no. forget about it simply being a logical fallacy. for you to have to even create the illusion of a logical fallacy means you have absolutely not credibility. the guys an absolute joke.

How is quoting an article committing a logical fallacy? And so far you have not refuted that he was the original user of the term. Your argument is from silence (informal fallacy).

J.Anderson · #9 (**permalink**) 09-12-2008, 05:34 PM

She clearly had no clue what the Bush Doctrine was. End of story.

JMS · #10 (**permalink**) 09-12-2008, 05:34 PM

lol, you really need to be up to speed with the web before you try and manipulate it to suit your needs. my link doesnt say? yeah, thats the point. the link doesnt say. exactly. this guy claims authority over the subject by citing the fact that wiki attributes the term to him, yet this wasnt the case before the interview. the entry was modified recently. last edited today, in fact.

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