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Default If Obama loses, let it be blaimed on race

Now, my first instinct is to reject such a claim.

But, if Obama loses the only people they can claim voted against him based on race are democrats, republicans wouldn't vote for Obama anyway.

So, lets let them blame it on race. I tend to believe that the thought process behind "African Americans need affirmative action and can't compete on a level playing field" is racist anyway.

The right should collectively agree to letting the media blame Obama's loss on racist democrats.

We always see republicans fight against such a claim, but why? Let the media whine about how racist democrats are.
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Race won't even be an issue.

There are two forces working against Barack in this campaign, those being McCain/Palin and Clinton/Clinton. Hillary refused to accept a VP nomination from Barack, therefore making the only logical choice Joe Biden (Richardson isn't popular enough, Edwards is involved in a scandal.) This has angered most of the left who still believes that Hillary wasn't chosen strictly because of pride. If Barack loses, it will be solely blamed on the VP pick of Joe Biden and will end in killing Barack's political career. This is all strategy for Hillary who will be looking to run again in 2012 and with Barack out of the picture will have an easy road to a nomination.
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Race won't even be an issue.

There are two forces working against Barack in this campaign, those being McCain/Palin and Clinton/Clinton. Hillary refused to accept a VP nomination from Barack, therefore making the only logical choice Joe Biden (Richardson isn't popular enough, Edwards is involved in a scandal.) This has angered most of the left who still believes that Hillary wasn't chosen strictly because of pride. If Barack loses, it will be solely blamed on the VP pick of Joe Biden and will end in killing Barack's political career. This is all strategy for Hillary who will be looking to run again in 2012 and with Barack out of the picture will have an easy road to a nomination.
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Race won't even be an issue.

There are two forces working against Barack in this campaign, those being McCain/Palin and Clinton/Clinton. Hillary refused to accept a VP nomination from Barack, therefore making the only logical choice Joe Biden (Richardson isn't popular enough, Edwards is involved in a scandal.) This has angered most of the left who still believes that Hillary wasn't chosen strictly because of pride. If Barack loses, it will be solely blamed on the VP pick of Joe Biden and will end in killing Barack's political career. This is all strategy for Hillary who will be looking to run again in 2012 and with Barack out of the picture will have an easy road to a nomination.
You think Hillary refused to accept Obama's vp offer? I don't know about that. I do think Hillary wants Obama to lose, as do a lot of Hillary supporters.

I think another thing is Obama's perceived elitism and disdain for middle America in addition to being associated with the far left.

What happens when Obama loses and Hillary and her supporters are blamed for his loss? I think a lot of Obama supporters are going to return the favor in 2012. Also, I might be one of the few people out there that thinks Hillary would have stood less of a chance than Obama who in my opinion still has a lot going in his favor.

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I seriously do not think Hillary declined the numero dos spot.
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What happens when Obama loses and Hillary and her supporters are blamed for his loss?
Won't happen. Hillary at this point is playing both sides, she's been giving slow and steady support to Obama and hasn't come out against Palin like was expected. As long as she keeps this trend up, she's coming out of this election with a golden ticket and a following that will be hard for any republican to topple in 2012.

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I seriously do not think Hillary declined the numero dos spot.
She had no reason to accept it. Hillary accepting a nomination from Barack would've sealed this election, the backing of that ticket would've been unshakable probably to an extent that Palin wouldn't of even bounced McCain's stance in the polls.

But for what reason? Stuck under 4 years with Barack and then being forced to run again as a VP in 2012 and resting all of her presidential hopes on his presidency? Not Likely.
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Won't happen. Hillary at this point is playing both sides, she's been giving slow and steady support to Obama and hasn't come out again Palin like was expected. As long as she keeps this trend up, she's coming out of this election with a golden ticket and a following that will be hard for any republican to topple in 2012.
No way. I think if he does lose, it will be blamed on the Obama/Hillary primary battle and Obama supporters won't let her get away with it.

Look, you think Hillary wants Obama to lose, I think the same thing, a lot of dems think this as well. I have heard pundits make the claim. Hillary won't attack Palin. Hillary supporters have claimed they want Obama to lose. It's not like you are in on some secret that no one else has figured out.

Everyone is thinking the exact same thing and it won't be forgotten in four years. But hey, if it hands the 2012 election to the republicans I'm all for it. I doubt the Dems are going to go through this all over again if they lose. I can't think of any scenario where Obama loses and Hillary is able to win in 2012 unless the republican candidate is especially weak or Obama does something that turns his base against him.

Now hopefully, the Hillary supporters don't figure this out and vote McCain. Now, would Hillary think she could get away with that? Hmm, interesting.

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Now, my first instinct is to reject such a claim.

But, if Obama loses the only people they can claim voted against him based on race are democrats, republicans wouldn't vote for Obama anyway.

So, lets let them blame it on race. I tend to believe that the thought process behind "African Americans need affirmative action and can't compete on a level playing field" is racist anyway.

The right should collectively agree to letting the media blame Obama's loss on racist democrats.

We always see republicans fight against such a claim, but why? Let the media whine about how racist democrats are.
THAT is funny. I would like to see them talk their way outta that.
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Everyone is thinking the exact same thing and it won't be forgotten in four years.
For my parties sake I hope you're correct, but I still think you're putting a little too much faith in Obama's base.

And yes this is my own personal analysis of the situation, I never claimed to be onto something new and groundbreaking. I just enjoy the "politics of politics", the psychology of it all fascinates me.
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