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Old 09-15-2008, 07:42 AM
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Weak spin.
Really, I hope that will not be his official campaign response!
That is basically saying "well I might very well be wrong and they can just ignore me".
Weak spin? Please provide a quotation from the piece that even implies that US forces shouldn't or couldn't continue to be withdrawn?

Instead of "weak spin" what we have are those that are into creative interpretation implying things that aren't even addressed by the opinion article.
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Old 09-15-2008, 07:46 AM
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Weak spin? Please provide a quotation from the piece that even implies that US forces shouldn't or couldn't continue to be withdrawn?

Instead of "weak spin" what we have are those that are into creative interpretation implying things that aren't even addressed by the opinion article.
PULEASE!
The mere idea that Obama expressed that no agreement should be reached until the new President in in place is enough to see how politically motivated he is. " The troops should be home yesterday", uh but (whispers) "you need to wait until the new President is in to make any kind of agreement" wink wink.
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Old 09-15-2008, 07:56 AM
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PULEASE!
The mere idea that Obama expressed that no agreement should be reached until the new President in in place is enough to see how politically motivated he is. " The troops should be home yesterday", uh but (whispers) "you need to wait until the new President is in to make any kind of agreement" wink wink.
Delaying an agreement is a good idea regardless of whether Obama or McCain is elected. Bush has unquestionably screwed up the war against Iraq and shouldn't be imposing conditions or limitations upon the next president.

Of course it is somewhat moot because any agreement made by Bush would require Senate approval anyway.
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Maybe you people shouldn't be so quick to believe Amir Taheri.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amir_Taheri#Controversies

On May 19, 2006, the National Post of Canada published two pieces, one by Taheri, claiming that the Iranian parliament passed a law that "envisages separate dress codes for religious minorities, Christians, Jews and Zoroastrians, who will have to adopt distinct colour schemes to make them identifiable in public." Numerous other sources, including Maurice Motamed, the Jewish member of the Iranian parliament, refuted the report as untrue. ... The National Post retracted the story several hours after it was posted online. The newspaper blamed Taheri for the falsehood in the article, and published a full apology on May 24.

Dwight Simpson of San Francisco State University and Kaveh Afrasiabi accuse Taheri and his publisher Eleana Benador of fabricating false stories in the New York Post in 2005 where Taheri identified Iran's UN ambassador Javad Zarif as one of the students involved in the 1979 seizure of hostages at the US Embassy in Tehran. Zarif was Simpson's teaching assistant and a graduate student in the Department of International Relations of San Francisco State University at the time.

Shaul Bakhash of George Mason University has accused Amir Taheri of concocting nonexistent conpiracies in his writings, and states that he "repeatedly refers us to books where the information he cites simply does not exist. Often the documents cannot be found in the volumes to which he attributes them.... [He] repeatedly reads things into the documents that are simply not there." Bakhash has stated that Taheri's 1988 Nest of Spies is "the sort of book that gives contemporary history a bad name."

The guy just makes stuff up.

Maybe this isn't made up, but I wouldn't count on it.
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Old 09-15-2008, 08:12 AM
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Attack the source, Nice.
Whats the next bullet in your Obama bloggers' playbook?
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Attack the source, Nice.
Whats the next bullet in your Obama bloggers' playbook?
Not immediately trusting a journalist because his writings in the past have routinely omitted the truth, and cited writings that don't exist is hardly attacking the source. Maybe you should try looking up his background?
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Delaying an agreement is a good idea regardless of whether Obama or McCain is elected. Bush has unquestionably screwed up the war against Iraq and shouldn't be imposing conditions or limitations upon the next president.

Of course it is somewhat moot because any agreement made by Bush would require Senate approval anyway.
delaying???.....how bout finishing the job.....McCain called for a Troop Surge....Bush took his advice.....NOW the conditions in Iraq are better than they have ever been since the war started..........if Bush had listened to obama the troops would be home.....hanging their heads in defeat....failures.....

....Count on McCain to finish what we started in Iraq......ya the war was poorly managed......but with McCain we can now finish what we started.....with honor and dignity.

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Attack the source, Nice.
Whats the next bullet in your Obama bloggers' playbook?
So you're saying that a proven liar should still be believed as a trusted source? Fascinating.

Personally, I wouldn't believe this until it is confirmed by other sources.
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So you're saying that a proven liar should still be believed as a trusted source? Fascinating.

Personally, I wouldn't believe this until it is confirmed by other sources.
I'm just pointing out a diversionary tactic often used when certain people on this board are cornered in a thread!
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This is just more BS. Obama was right to discuss such matters, this isn't the first time by far that we and other nations have held back on things to await the outcome of an election. The reason is because if a deal is struck then an administration is installed that is unfavorable to the terms, at least one of the parties (normally the nation NOT having elections) will lose political credibility for striking a deal that doesn't go through.

How many more wastes of time will there be before November 4?
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