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Old 09-15-2008, 05:44 AM
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Default Breaking News: Obama tried to stall GI's withdrawal until after the election.

This is serious news here.The Logan Act could have been violated back in July when this happened. This could derail his campaign as he campaigned for troop withdrawals while behind closed doors he was seeking to stall it for personal benefit according to the Iraqi Foreign Minister.

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This is BS on both counts.

Obama was not negotiating an agreement with Iraq but instead was urging Iraq to not become involved in an agreement with the United States until after the presidential elections. The Logan Act only applies if an agreement is being negotiated and in this case it was about not establishing an agreement and individuals are not prohibited from doing that.

It would be wise for Iraq to not enter into an agreement with a lame duck president with elections so close regardless of whether Obama, McCain, or even Bob Barr is elected.
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This is serious news here.The Logan Act could have been violated back in July when this happened. This could derail his campaign as he campaigned for troop withdrawals while behind closed doors he was seeking to stall it for personal benefit according to the Iraqi Foreign Minister.

Please read.
http://www.nypost.com/seven/09152008...wal_129150.htm

Logan Act:
http://law.jrank.org/pages/8357/Logan-Act.html
The media will allow democrats to commit crimes right in front of them and just dismiss it as no big deal. Remember the Clinton Administration? Nobody will make any hay out of this report sadly.
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This is BS on both counts.

Obama was not negotiating an agreement with Iraq but instead was urging Iraq to not become involved in an agreement with the United States until after the presidential elections. The Logan Act only applies if an agreement is being negotiated and in this case it was about not establishing an agreement and individuals are not prohibited from doing that.

It would be wise for Iraq to not enter into an agreement with a lame duck president with elections so close regardless of whether Obama, McCain, or even Bob Barr is elected.
You just called BS and then proceeded to prove that "Obama tried to stall GI's withdrawal until after the election". Good Job. Not.
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This is BS on both counts.

Obama was not negotiating an agreement with Iraq but instead was urging Iraq to not become involved in an agreement with the United States until after the presidential elections. The Logan Act only applies if an agreement is being negotiated and in this case it was about not establishing an agreement and individuals are not prohibited from doing that.

It would be wise for Iraq to not enter into an agreement with a lame duck president with elections so close regardless of whether Obama, McCain, or even Bob Barr is elected.
So the violation of the act issue might be BS, What about his trying to stall troop withdrawal until after the election? I thought he was all concerned about our men and women in uniform being in harm's way! Why keep them there longer than neccessary? OH, that's right so he can try to use it as political leverage.

Disgusting!!!
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So the violation of the act issue might be BS, What about his trying to stall troop withdrawal until after the election? I thought he was all concerned about our men and women in uniform being in harm's way! Why keep them there longer than neccessary? OH, that's right so he can try to use it as political leverage.

Disgusting!!!
So troop deaths are a tragedy to Barack unless a couple more will get him elected. What a pile of (*)(*)(*)(*).
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You just called BS and then proceeded to prove that "Obama tried to stall GI's withdrawal until after the election". Good Job. Not.
While the opinion piece (not news article) does point out that Obama suggested that it wasn't a good idea for a formal withdrawal agreement until a new president takes office, no where does it imply that troop reductions by the US couldn't or shouldn't proceed unhindered. The United States does not require Iraqi approval to remove troops nor does the Iraqi government require US approval to demand that US troops be withdrawn.
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While the opinion piece (not news article) does point out that Obama suggested that it wasn't a good idea for a formal withdrawal agreement until a new president takes office, no where does it imply that troop reductions by the US couldn't or shouldn't proceed unhindered. The United States does not require Iraqi approval to remove troops nor does the Iraqi government require US approval to demand that US troops be withdrawn.
Weak spin.
Really, I hope that will not be his official campaign response!
That is basically saying "well I might very well be wrong and they can just ignore me".
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Agreed. Very weak spin. If Obama was really concerned about withdawing troops he would support agreements between the current administration and Iraqi government to do so and could override said agreements if he got into office with a new agreement proposal. But unfortunately Obama just wants to use this as a campaign issue.
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Weak spin.
Really, I hope that will not be his official campaign response!
That is basically saying "well I might very well be wrong and they can just ignore me".
For if he uses this as his spin people will see it as another coverup of a mistake he has made. So many we have seen already and here is yet another.

He thought this would let him be on both sides of the issue but it failed again.

Way to go, Barry.

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