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Old 03-18-2009, 11:58 AM
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Of course not, nor is that the plan, that is why we are also investing in education, health, sustainable energy and jobs, and after our economy recovers, a cut to much of our wasteful spending like our bloated military!
Corporations paid no income tax because...they had no income. That is why they call it an income tax.
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No, the greedy and unregulated squandered our investments so they could make in one year what 80,000 NY school teachers make in one year, many of which avoided paying taxes through such things as "retention bonuses!"
Their greedy behavior killing the economy because those on the lower rungs have no money to buy the products made our companies.

If we had not wasted 3 trillion dollars war in Iraq for the rich people, we would not be in such dire straits. All the rest of us that do not have stock in the oil companies had to pay for that. So don't talk about us doing our part!
what does that have to do with the guy making 250 ?
Nothing.

Nothing like a little hyperbole is there ?
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Corporations paid no income tax because...they had no income. That is why they call it an income tax.
Corporations had no income cause people stopped buying, people stopped buying cause their jobs were outsourced more and more.

As for energy you got a lot about oil down, suppose you tell us what happened to the reserch money that was given to oil companies during a record profit year???
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Corporations paid no income tax because...they had no income. That is why they call it an income tax.

Perhaps you should actually read the article I posted:

"Collectively, the companies reported trillions of dollars in sales, according to GAO's estimate.

"It's shameful that so many corporations make big profits and pay nothing to support our country," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., who asked for the GAO study with Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich."

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4342535.shtml
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To speak breezily if the American worker had more jobs they would be paying more taxes and the government may not need to raise the tax of some millionare 4-1/2%.
This appears to be a tacit admission that you, too, do not appreciate the difference between four-and a half percent and four-and-a half percentage points.

An increase from 35 percent to 39.6 percent (the previous top marginal rate) is actually an increase of 13.1-plus percent.

If you truly believe that an increase of more than 13.1 percent upon high earners is justified, then please feel free to say so. But it is really not quite candid to refer to it as a mere "4-1/2%" increase. It is almost three times that.

And your apparent implication one must be deeply opposed to America's high earners in order to be supportive of "the American worker" smacks of class warfare.

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IF more outsourceing continues the rich might be well to prepare for another tax raise.
First, I am not really comfortable with the implication that any couple with a household income of greater than $250,000 per year is "rich"--especially in California, New York, DC, or other communities with a very high cost of living.

Moreover, I do not have much use for the politics of envy; and the sentiment you have just expressed, in this regard, seems to be grounded in exactly that.

Sadly, some who express almost Jacobin sentiments appear far less animated by any desire to help the middle class (or even the working class) than they are by the desire to punish the wealthy, as some sort of emotionally satisfying end in itself.
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[Corporations will not pass along tax increases to the consumer] if the consumer is buying from other than American corporations like the Chinese, Japnanese, Tai Wanses or other foriegn corporations.
At what point did you stop reading what I actually said?

As I further noted in the post to which you are alluding, the alternative is that American corporations will "reduce employment opportunities; or reduce the number of hours worked by wage-per-hour employees; or some combination thereof."

Do you consider these to be happy outcomes?
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Perhaps you should actually read the article I posted:

"Collectively, the companies reported trillions of dollars in sales, according to GAO's estimate.

"It's shameful that so many corporations make big profits and pay nothing to support our country," said Sen. Byron Dorgan, D-N.D., who asked for the GAO study with Sen. Carl Levin, D-Mich."
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/...n4342535.shtml
I read it, and what changed? You do realize that sales do not equal profits do you not? Or that S Corps pay taxes through the owners personal taxes? Apparently the two dem cranks who waisted the taxpayers money on this study do not. Amazing some of the things the dems fall for.
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I read it, and what changed? You do realize that sales do not equal profits do you not? Or that S Corps pay taxes through the owners personal taxes? Apparently the two dem cranks who waisted the taxpayers money on this study do not. Amazing some of the things the dems fall for.

From the same article above - "Dorgan and Levin have complained about companies abusing transfer prices - amounts charged on transactions between companies in a group, such as a parent and subsidiary. In some cases, multinational companies can manipulate transfer prices to shift income from higher to lower tax jurisdictions, cutting their tax liabilities. The GAO did not suggest which companies might be doing this."

"It's time for the big corporations to pay their fair share," Dorgan said

We'll see who has the last laugh when those fat loopholes are closed!

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"It's time for the big corporations to pay their fair share," Dorgan said

We'll see who has the last laugh when those fat loopholes are closed!
You'll be long dead before corporations run out of loopholes. Their Republican and Democratic politicians in Washington will see to that.
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From the same article above - "Dorgan and Levin have complained about companies abusing transfer prices - amounts charged on transactions between companies in a group, such as a parent and subsidiary. In some cases, multinational companies can manipulate transfer prices to shift income from higher to lower tax jurisdictions, cutting their tax liabilities. The GAO did not suggest which companies might be doing this."

"It's time for the big corporations to pay their fair share," Dorgan said

We'll see who has the last laugh when those fat loopholes are closed!
There won't be a laugh because the stats will change insignificantly even if this alleged loophole was closed. The number would still be well over half. That's because the facts don't take into consideration dem hacks (these politicians) who have no idea what they're talking about. The formula is very simple, no income equals no tax.
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