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Old 10-09-2004, 04:11 AM
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Default Bush hit a home run!

Bush definately raised the bar last night & took control over last night's debate. He hit Kerry on his own 20 yr. record & bringing up the oil for food scam had Kerry stumbling over his own words. The truth does have a way of squashing the tales out of school Kerry's been telling. Bush definately showed style as well as substance last night. I think Kerry was softened up during the debate of all the campaign trail anger he musters up. It's hard to be righteous when your on the wrong side of the issue.

BTW, Kerry's answer to all his whines about Bush was "I have a plan." What plan? Where was the substance of his "plan?"

Bush is a class act & another reason why he will win.
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No he didn't. It was a tie, leaning Kerry if not a Kerry win altogether.
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"No he didn't. It was a tie, leaning Kerry if not a Kerry win altogether. "

Keep telling yourself that but as I remember, I was the only conservative who was honest about the first debate...

Here is some more honest observations about the second...

1) Bush was fiery and commanding... Kerry was accusatory and a little too longwinded without much to actually say...

2) Kerry attempted to interject humor and it fell flat.. Bush had the audience in the debate hall laughing quite a bit...

3) Bush appeared to be a "man of the people".. Kerry appeared to be pandering to the people...

4) In the first debate Kerry appeared on top of his game and Bush was defensive and sturrering/stumbling over his answers.... In the second debate Bush seemed in command of the debate, even to the point of crushing the moderator when he got in the way.... Bush was excellent tonite...

5) I seriously think that most of us are missing what the two candidates were trying to accomplish... Bush was trying to rally conservatives of all stripes and shapes to his side... Kerry was attempting to connect with the 14 or 15 undecided voters left.... In all honesty I think Kerry did a very good job of connecting with those voters but I wonder if it may have hurt his base a little... Bush certainly showed the conservatives what they wanted to see.. the Commander in Chief!

6) My opinion of the first deabte is that Kerry won and won big... my opinion of the second debate is Bush won and more than likely won big... Kerry couldn't and didn't defend his record and that will hurt him.
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Bush reduced Kerry to a (*)(*)(*)(*)(*) cat...empty sudo suit. Kerry sounded pretty shallow in light of the truth. What we saw last night was the Bush we all know & love. Comfortable, committed & courageous. It amazes me how he pulls it out of nowhere...when we are down he can just raise us up. So encouraging.

I saw the difference last night...Bush says the glass is half full while Kerry says the glass is half empty. Doom & gloom vs. reality with optimism.

Another reason why Bush will win!
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Is that why the polls show 2% more people think Kerry won, rather than Bush.
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Is that why the polls show 2% more people think Kerry won, rather than Bush.
They said the same thing in Australia.... the incumbant got the landslide.
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Do you even know how a parlimentry system works?
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Default Bush hit a home run!

Well, maybe with Laura back in the hotel room, but if you're talking about the debate, he at best tied with Kerry.

I still say much of Kerry's arguing went right over Bush's head. I think Kerry has trouble making things simple enough for George to respond in a meaningful way. I can't remember whether it was the stem cell question or abortion, but right after Kerry got through explaining obvious exceptions to the main position, Bush came right back with ..."but it's a simple yes or no question!"

Um, if it were that simple, that black and white, it wouldn't still be a subject for debate.
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Is that why the polls show 2% more people think Kerry won, rather than Bush.

Ha.Ha. We all know that the pre & post polls of the debate were from frantic democrats getting on the internet & voting over & over again. The true poll which came out today, showed independents voting for Bush at 51% & Kerry at 40%.

Kerry doesn't have a shot at convincing Americans that he can be trusted leading this nation. Especially as Commander & Chief of the Armed Forces.
When you flip-flop as much as John Kerry has, & then emphatically state you haven't. That statement made him look stupid, & really insulted the intelligence of the average American.
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Default Bush WON

Bush won this one...on both style and substance. He was confident, agressive and he put Kerry on the defensive on several issues. Bush connected with the people by being funny a couple of times. And Bush surprised everybody on his knowledge and command of domestic issues. Everybody thought that would be Kerry's area. It clearly was not. Bush answered the questions more directly than Kerry did and stayed on point more often.

Kerry rarely answered the question asked of him. Most of the questions asked of Kerry.....his answers started something like this...."Well, this president did so and so...and this administration did this and that....." He would just throw out as many subjects as he could.....never really addressing the question head on and directly. Once he was asked what he (Kerry) would do...and all he did was talk about Bush. Kerry really screwed up the abortion question. His answer was TERRIBLE. Bush beat him on the North Korea question. And Bush beat him by putting Kerry on the defensive about his LIBERAL record in the SENATE. Coming back and complaining atout "labels" is NOT a good answer. Bush beat him by pointing out that Kerry has no signature legislation in 20 yrs in the Senate.....and he tried to cut Intelligence after the first 1993 attack by more than even the other member of his own party wanted to cut it. Kerry couldn't defend either. Kerry voted AGAINST the ban on partial birth abortions. Bush pointed that out. Kerry missed votes on Intelligence AND Energy. Bush pointed that out.

Bush did exactly what he was supposed to do: he turned the tables and got off the defensive and put Kerry on the defensive. And Kerry....even though he speaks eloquently and long.....didn't have good answers for most of it.

I've been at the OU/Texas football game all day and missed all the "talk." So......did any of the analysts make the same kind of big deal they did over Bush's scowls of the first debate......as Kerry's approaching the president in an effort to intimidate.....and Kerry's head-tilting, looking down his nose with that haughty look.....in this debate? Did Kerry get a pass that the president didn't get? Just wondering.

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