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What happens if we run into a worse situation than 2000. Imagine a situation where Obama wins the popular vote by 2-3 million votes, but loses the electorate by a few thousand votes in a state like Florida, Ohio or Virginia. Will this transition of power be as clear as last time. Will McCain be able to walk into Washington unimpeded, or will there be revolution this time around. This is a distinct possibility, and despite calls to change teh system after 2000, the GOP (surprise) has done nothing to change the election process. Right now, if the election were to end today based on current polling, McCain and Obama would be tied at 269 each, with Obama winning the popular vote. How does that get resolved?
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Now, if the situation is that McCain wins the popular vote but loses the electoral vote, you can bet your bottom dollar that the GOP will be agitating to abolish the Electoral College and have elections based on popular vote only.
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What happens if we run into a worse situation than 2000. Imagine a situation where Obama wins the popular vote by 2-3 million votes, but loses the electorate by a few thousand votes in a state like Florida, Ohio or Virginia. Will this transition of power be as clear as last time. Will McCain be able to walk into Washington unimpeded, or will there be revolution this time around. This is a distinct possibility, and despite calls to change teh system after 2000, the GOP (surprise) has done nothing to change the election process. Right now, if the election were to end today based on current polling, McCain and Obama would be tied at 269 each, with Obama winning the popular vote. How does that get resolved?
That depends on the polls. Here, this guy runs the math seriously well.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

He takes into account all the polls with all their factors and mashes them, pulls out the (*)(*)(*)(*) and pops out with possible percentages. It's a great site.
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Now, if the situation is that McCain wins the popular vote but loses the electoral vote, you can bet your bottom dollar that the GOP will be agitating to abolish the Electoral College and have elections based on popular vote only.
Just as much as the Dems (*)(*)(*)(*)(*)ed and complained.

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That depends on the polls. Here, this guy runs the math seriously well.

http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/

He takes into account all the polls with all their factors and mashes them, pulls out the (*)(*)(*)(*) and pops out with possible percentages. It's a great site.
It is a great site. McCain could win the popular vote but the Electoral votes win the election. There is something I did read that states that the electors from each state do not need to follow the mandate of the state and could vote a different way. I am trying to find the article. It supposedly happened with a few electors one time. It did not change the outcome. Does anyone know if this is true?
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Interesting article on the electoral college and popular vote in the US -- and on what happens if electoral college is 269 - 269 in an election.
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What happens if we run into a worse situation than 2000. Imagine a situation where Obama wins the popular vote by 2-3 million votes, but loses the electorate by a few thousand votes in a state like Florida, Ohio or Virginia. Will this transition of power be as clear as last time. Will McCain be able to walk into Washington unimpeded, or will there be revolution this time around. This is a distinct possibility, and despite calls to change teh system after 2000, the GOP (surprise) has done nothing to change the election process. Right now, if the election were to end today based on current polling, McCain and Obama would be tied at 269 each, with Obama winning the popular vote. How does that get resolved?
I have no doubt the Dems would try and change the rules after the fact---like they did in 2000.
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Now, if the situation is that McCain wins the popular vote but loses the electoral vote, you can bet your bottom dollar that the GOP will be agitating to abolish the Electoral College and have elections based on popular vote only.
Nope, not me. Electoral vote is what counts. That's our system. I've argued that before and I will continue to argue in support of the electoral system.
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I have no doubt the Dems would try and change the rules after the fact---like they did in 2000.
and I have no doubt the repubs will break the rules -- like they did in 2000.
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I have no doubt the Dems would try and change the rules after the fact---like they did in 2000.
I agree just like they did back a few months ago during their own primaries, Michigan and Florida ring a bell? Dems are sore losers.
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