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He did have the advantage and it showed, I think you may want to re-watch the exchange. McCain didn't blink naming at least 20 foreign leaders ....
You'd have to list them. The ones I heard he got some names wrong. He couldn't even pronounce Ahmaditejan
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Huh, never imagined that anyone could call Osama Bin Laden a freedom fighter in a US Presidential debate and be considered the winner. McCain really is something.
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I agree McCain won the debate, and as partisan as I am, the article below shows a non-partisan look at what was said. But will it matter? Who knows, I saw an empty suit on that stage in Obama, filled with many pie in the sky platitudes, that are bought hook line and sinker by the Obama-ites, but will it work with the independents? We shall see.

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Obama performed horribly. The only consolation is that Obama didn't lose BIG because McCain didn't perform all the well either. McCain should be slamming the liberals for how dirty their hands are in creating and allowing this financial mess to occur. Any fault of the republicans is absolutely DWARFED by the magnitude of involvement for which the liberals are responsible.

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Speaking as an Independent voting for Obama I didn't see an empty suit.
Look at Obama's record. There you will see the empty suit. Talk is cheap, do you know how much candidates promise and how little they deliver? Well there is one and only one thing you can count on, the candidate's record. Obama's record is that of an extremist liberal with no accomplishments (his extremism usually flunks).
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what I saw was a broken soldier who was starring off into the distance and not looking into the eyes of his opponent. As his captors trained him to do.
And all we see here is more liberal babble, with no intelligible response.

I am curious dog, why do belittle McCain's capture as if it was just no big deal experience? Are you that much of a fool, or just that hateful of a person?
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Speaking as an Independent voting for Obama I didn't see an empty suit. What I saw was Obama going toe to toe with McCain. I can't see that there was a slam dunk from either side, but the forum covered a lot of foreign policy questions that McCain really should have had the advantage on. I give the edge to Obama because he was a bit more up to speed than I thought he was on foreign policy, and I liked his stamina throughout the debate.

If Obama can hold his own on foreign policy issues, one of Mccain's supposedly strong selling points, I suspect he will do even better in the next debates.
Excellent analysis IMO.

I really expected McCain to win the foreign policy exchange by a landslide given his background in the subject matter. He was barely able to hold his own. Obama clearly won the economic portion of the debate. I came away with more confidence in and respect for Obama and less confidence in McCain's ability to be a leader.

McCain needed a clear win and he needed to distant himself from GWB's failed policies. He failed at both and that was likely a fatal error in the election.
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And all we see here is more liberal babble, with no intelligible response.

I am curious dog, why do belittle McCain's capture as if it was just no big deal experience? Are you that much of a fool, or just that hateful of a person?
Do you think that all Dems should respect and honor McCain's military experience just as the Republicans honored Kerry's?
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You'd have to list them. The ones I heard he got some names wrong. He couldn't even pronounce Ahmaditejan
Part of the exchange, and Obama's response? "We can agree", what else could he have said, he had no clue about what McCain was talking about.


MCCAIN: Well, I was interested in Senator Obama's reaction to the Russian aggression against Georgia. His first statement was, "Both sides ought to show restraint."

Again, a little bit of naivete there. He doesn't understand that Russia committed serious aggression against Georgia. And Russia has now become a nation fueled by petro-dollars that is basically a KGB apparatchik-run government.

I looked into Mr. Putin's eyes, and I saw three letters, a "K," a "G," and a "B." And their aggression in Georgia is not acceptable behavior.

I don't believe we're going to go back to the Cold War. I am sure that that will not happen. But I do believe that we need to bolster our friends and allies. And that wasn't just about a problem between Georgia and Russia. It had everything to do with energy.

There's a pipeline that runs from the Caspian through Georgia through Turkey. And, of course, we know that the Russians control other sources of energy into Europe, which they have used from time to time.

It's not accidental that the presidents of Latvia, Estonia, Lithuania, Poland, and Ukraine flew to Georgia, flew to Tbilisi, where I have spent significant amount of time with a great young president, Misha Saakashvili.

MCCAIN: And they showed solidarity with them, but, also, they are very concerned about the Russian threats to regain their status of the old Russian to regain their status of the old Russian empire.

Now, I think the Russians ought to understand that we will support -- we, the United States -- will support the inclusion of Georgia and Ukraine in the natural process, inclusion into NATO.

We also ought to make it very clear that the Russians are in violation of their cease-fire agreement. They have stationed additional troops in Abkhazia and South Ossetia.

By the way, I went there once, and we went inside and drove in, and there was a huge poster. And this is -- this is Georgian territory. And there was a huge poster of Vladimir Putin, and it said, "Vladimir Putin, our president."

It was very clear, the Russian intentions towards Georgia. They were just waiting to seize the opportunity.

So, this is a very difficult situation. We want to work with the Russians. But we also have every right to expect the Russians to behave in a fashion and keeping with a -- with a -- with a country who respects international boundaries and the norms of international behavior.

And watch Ukraine. This whole thing has got a lot to do with Ukraine, Crimea, the base of the Russian fleet in Sevastopol. And the breakdown of the political process in Ukraine between Tymoshenko and Yushchenko is a very serious problem.

So watch Ukraine, and let's make sure that we -- that the Ukrainians understand that we are their friend and ally.
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