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Old 10-01-2008, 08:23 AM
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thanks for your opinion. If you look at the campaign, starting with the Democrat primary, Obama himself was the issue, not his capabilities. I do not fault Axelrod at all but admire him for being able to pull this off. It's brilliant marketing and thus I don't understand why you would not be proud of that and instead made a snide comment??? It's about getting to the White House, no less, no more.

McCain should have selected a marketing firm as good as Axelrods. I think it was absolutely brilliant and the Republicans should learn from this that the market has changed and they need to move more toward a packaged, sound bite campaign process in the future.
There is one problem with your analysis. The rhetoric and false marketing can only work for liberals because the media would not let a conservative get away with such BS. Also, young uneducated people with little to no knowledge of political history are more likely to fall for it, whereas wiser voters that have been around this block a few times know that rhetoric is just a cheap trick and that the record is where all the substance lies.

This sums up Obama:
I want you to want me.
I need you to need me.
I'd love you to love me.
I'll shine up the old brown shoes, put on a brand new shirt.
I'll get home early from work if you say that you love me.

In other words, Obama will be a phony if that is what it takes for people to want him!
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Old 10-01-2008, 08:37 AM
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There is one problem with your analysis. The rhetoric and false marketing can only work for liberals

I disagree, if the Republicans had a charismatic candidate, and selected a good marketing/PR firm, then there would be conservatives that would buy into the marketing fluff. That is why and how target marketing works.


because the media would not let a conservative get away with such BS.


You are probably correct on that


Also, young uneducated people with little to no knowledge of political history are more likely to fall for it, whereas wiser voters that have been around this block a few times know that rhetoric is just a cheap trick


I disagree, between posters not just on this forum, but others, and people with whom I have spoken, and many educated, support Obama. Now, is it his proposed policies that they support? Of the people that I have spoken with it's not. Many are just so frustrated with politicians (part of the marketing spin) that the "change guy" might be a good way to go. Do I see it synonymous as "throwing the baby out with the bath water"; sure. But many just want to believe him and have a leap of faith that on the job training is OK


and that the record is where all the substance lies.

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Old 10-01-2008, 08:41 AM
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There is one problem with your analysis. The rhetoric and false marketing can only work for liberals

I disagree, if the Republicans had a charismatic candidate, and selected a good marketing/PR firm, then there would be conservatives that would buy into the marketing fluff. That is why and how target marketing works.


because the media would not let a conservative get away with such BS.


You are probably correct on that


Also, young uneducated people with little to no knowledge of political history are more likely to fall for it, whereas wiser voters that have been around this block a few times know that rhetoric is just a cheap trick


I disagree, between posters not just on this forum, but others, and people with whom I have spoken, and many educated, support Obama. Now, is it his proposed policies that they support? Of the people that I have spoken with it's not. Many are just so frustrated with politicians (part of the marketing spin) that the "change guy" might be a good way to go. Do I see it synonymous as "throwing the baby out with the bath water"; sure. But many just want to believe him and have a leap of faith that on the job training is OK


and that the record is where all the substance lies.

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I disagree, if the Republicans had a charismatic candidate, and selected a good marketing/PR firm, then there would be conservatives that would buy into the marketing fluff. That is why and how target marketing works.

I disagree, between posters not just on this forum, but others, and people with whom I have spoken, and many educated, support Obama. Now, is it his proposed policies that they support? Of the people that I have spoken with it's not. Many are just so frustrated with politicians (part of the marketing spin) that the "change guy" might be a good way to go. Do I see it synonymous as "throwing the baby out with the bath water"; sure. But many just want to believe him and have a leap of faith that on the job training is OK
If Obama was a conservative candidate with the same marketing and a radical right voting record, do you think that would fly with the media?

Besides, I don't want an inauthentic candidate, which is exactly what Obama is. McCain is about as authentic as you can expect out of a politician.
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If Obama was a conservative candidate with the same marketing and a radical right voting record, do you think that would fly with the media?


You funny guy....of course not

Besides, I don't want an inauthentic candidate, which is exactly what Obama is. McCain is about as authentic as you can expect out of a politician.


your last sentence sure is a sad testament to where we are today with respect to politics


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I'm sorry, what does Obama's middle name have to do with negative truth? His middle name is just that... a name. It doesn't shape his ideals. It doesn't define him. Why should it matter?

As for the matter of his aproval rating among latinos in Illinois... what is it? You just said you know the answer... so now Im curious.
His name does not matter to me however, in the begining his full name was being used it didn't take long for that to end and the only way you heard his name was barack obama, was this done because his campaign managers wanted to distance him from the negative conotations the american people may associate with the name hussein when they are going to the polls.

as for his approval rating in Chicago I'll quote an article written by Ramison Canon, " Latino voters flexed their muscle in a unique way on super tuesday. Barack Obama did not win a single Latino ward in Chicago, particularly the maxican wards on the South and South West sides." Now, I'm not sure what the exact numbers are but i think this should give you an idea. You can find the article at http://www.gapersblock.com/airbags/a...ingobamasshoes. We hear so much negativity about McCain voting along with his party 90 percent of the time while we hear very little negative info about obama at all . I want to know everything that i can before i cast my vote no matter how good, bad,or ugly it is. They have no right to keep any information withheld from the american public .
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His name does not matter to me however, in the begining his full name was being used it didn't take long for that to end and the only way you heard his name was barack obama, was this done because his campaign managers wanted to distance him from the negative conotations the american people may associate with the name hussein when they are going to the polls.
The full name was used mostly by the opposition to do just that... associate Obama with Saddam. When that got old they started phasing it out (except for the shock value every now and then on Faux News).

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as for his approval rating in Chicago I'll quote an article written by Ramison Canon, " Latino voters flexed their muscle in a unique way on super tuesday. Barack Obama did not win a single Latino ward in Chicago, particularly the maxican wards on the South and South West sides." Now, I'm not sure what the exact numbers are but i think this should give you an idea. You can find the article at http://www.gapersblock.com/airbags/a...ingobamasshoes.
Your link didn't work, sorry. But I found it (you left off the last slash) and you left out the note right behind that sentence "[Note: Thanks to commenter Josh, who correctly points out that Senator Obama did win North Side Latino-majority wards, the 26th and 35th, and wards with Latino pluralities, the 1st (Wicker Park) and 33rd. This interestingly tracks a split between Puerto Rican and Mexican-American communities. A previous draft also pointed out that Senator Obama handily won both Lake and Kane Counties. Thanks Josh!]" and the fact that he didn't lose those wards by much.


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We hear so much negativity about McCain voting along with his party 90 percent of the time while we hear very little negative info about obama at all . I want to know everything that i can before i cast my vote no matter how good, bad,or ugly it is. They have no right to keep any information withheld from the american public .
The reason McCain's 90% voting is the fact that he's attempting to run a change campaign in a year when his party controls the seat. It's hard to be a change when you agree with the sitting president so much.
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It has to do with the downright lie the NRA ad purports. Sorry guys, it's a perfectly good request when it comes to this particular group's ads. They are just fearmongering.
Sorry to you, they won't be banned.

And, you'll be more than sorry if this pathetic fraud wins president.
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It has to do with the downright lie the NRA ad purports. Sorry guys, it's a perfectly good request when it comes to this particular group's ads. They are just fearmongering.
Well, then he should just let them spread the lies then disprove it and he would be able to sue for defamation. I would personally let someone tie the noose around their own neck.
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Republicans should learn from this that the market has changed and they need to move more toward a packaged, sound bite campaign process in the future.[/quote]

You have described the Obama campaign the same way I do to others. It is simply amazing to see the loyalty that this campaign has built with a base lacking any substance. More and more, Obama's campaign reminds me of the Carter campaign. Promising change from the currupt old guard, then Carter immediately filled his cabinet with the trilateral commission. I do not know who Obama will choose, but I know whom he has been affiliated with in the past.
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