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Old 10-16-2004, 04:24 PM
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I received an email the other day entitled "He's done more damage than we thought" (author unknown) which is a list of failures attributed to President George W. Bush. After careful research and analysis to verify authenticity, I have come to the conclusion that the American people will fire George W. Bush on November 2, 2004 and hire John Kerry by a landslide of votes. I will summarize this list and comment where appropriate.

A. Foreign Policy

1. "Bush is the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military occupation of a sovereign nation, and did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community." While it is true that Congress authorized the President to invade Iraq, the fact that U.S. intelligence was so conflicting brings into question the judgment of Bush. I too was wrong in pushing for the removal of Hussein rather than staying focused on Bin Laden and the other terrorist organizations. Further, it is doubtful that Hussein could have developed WMD under the watchful eye of U.N.weapons inspectors and regular sorties flown by U.S. fighters throughout the no-fly zones (not to mention satellite surveillance). Kerry will need to initiate reconciliation through an international summit of European and Middle Eastern nations to begin the process of cleaning up this mess in Iraq (and worldwide). After the summit, the world will witness the slow withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and the quick advancement of U.N. troops into Iraq.

2. "Bush recklessly put U.S. soldiers in harms way by invading Iraq in search of weapons of mass destruction which still have not been found." In doing so, he has compromised the war on terrorism by directing 200 billion dollars for an overt combat operation as opposed to a covert operation. The United States has lost over 1,000 soldiers and thousands more are severely maimed prompting some to ask: hey hey GWB, how many kids will it be? The wiser choice would have been to invest 50 billion dollars in covert operations and 50 billion in homeland security. Besides, using conventional troops to fight terrorists is similar to the British army using regulars to fight French guerrillas during the Revolutionary War. Consequently, volunteerism for U.S. military service has sharply declined for all branches prompting rumors of a draft. Kerry will need to redirect resources to enhance homeland security while getting many more nations to share in troop and money commitments overseas especially in Iraq. He will also need to push Saudi Arabia and China to administer sanctions against Iran and North Korea to prevent further nuclear proliferation. Most importantly, however, he will need to fight terrorists overseas through covert operations.

B. Domestic Policy

1. "Bush spent the U.S. surplus and shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history." Bush's tax cuts to the wealthy along with irresponsible subsidizing of the war in Iraq has taken the U.S. budget from dark black to bright red all in the span of four years. Another four years of this squandering will bankrupt the United States. The remaining 100 billion dollars (from above) could have been invested in domestic programs like health care, education and the infrastructure. Kerry will need to revoke the tax cuts for the rich and reduce the United State's financial/military commitment in Iraq. These two changes (along with others) should result in a balanced budget in four years with the possibility of a return to a budget surplus in eight years.

2. "Bush entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. His first two years in office resulted in 2 million Americans losing their jobs AND he cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US History." His presidency has been the most "in-your-face" support of the wealthy whether it be tax cuts, the lack of an energy and environmental policy, failure to crack down hard on corporate corruption etc. Kerry will need to bring back former Clinton advisor Robert Ruben to turn the economy around just as was done after the failed administration of Bush Sr. Kerry will need to fast-track the operationalizing of alternative energy sources in order to reduce U.S. dependence on Middle Eastern oil specifically and world oil in general. As a former prosecutor, he will need to push for long-term prison sentences for those committing white-collar crimes and reduce the difficulty of prosecuting the likes of Ken Ley.

Conclusion

The failures by George W. Bush, the viable alternative of John Kerry, the massive number of newly registered voters, the amount of attention being given by the American people on this election and the mass media trying to spin this race as being close are all clear signs of a Kerry landslide. On the November 2, 2004 the people will speak loud and clear.
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Old 10-16-2004, 08:19 PM
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I agree with all you said except your conclusion. It certainly will not be a landslide for Kerry or Bush. It is surprising how many Americans are supportive of the direction our country has taken, but that is the way it is.
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People have no idea where he is going to take this country, we all know where Bush is going to lead us. I don't think people like not knowing what is going on, therefore Bush will win.
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People have no idea where he is going to take this country, we all know where Bush is going to lead us. I don't think people like not knowing what is going on, therefore Bush will win.
I think the problem with that is that people don't especially like where Bush will lead us. At least Kerry's on the fence about screwing us over for another four years, when Bush has already lept over it.
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Old 10-17-2004, 02:15 AM
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I received an email the other day entitled "He's done more damage than we thought" (author unknown) which is a list of failures attributed to President George W. Bush. After careful research and analysis to verify authenticity, I have come to the conclusion that the American people will fire George W. Bush on November 2, 2004 and hire John Kerry by a landslide of votes. I will summarize this list and comment where appropriate.

A. Foreign Policy

1. "Bush is the first president in US history to order a US attack AND military occupation of a sovereign nation, and did so against the will of the United Nations and the vast majority of the international community." While it is true that Congress authorized the President to invade Iraq, the fact that U.S. intelligence was so conflicting brings into question the judgment of Bush. I too was wrong in pushing for the removal of Hussein rather than staying focused on Bin Laden and the other terrorist organizations. Further, it is doubtful that Hussein could have developed WMD under the watchful eye of U.N.weapons inspectors and regular sorties flown by U.S. fighters throughout the no-fly zones (not to mention satellite surveillance). Kerry will need to initiate reconciliation through an international summit of European and Middle Eastern nations to begin the process of cleaning up this mess in Iraq (and worldwide). After the summit, the world will witness the slow withdrawal of U.S. troops from Iraq and the quick advancement of U.N. troops into Iraq.

Get a new mantra, this one is old and untruthful, and most people know it.

2. "Bush recklessly put U.S. soldiers in harms way by invading Iraq in search of weapons of mass destruction which still have not been found." In doing so, he has compromised the war on terrorism by directing 200 billion dollars for an overt combat operation as opposed to a covert operation. The United States has lost over 1,000 soldiers and thousands more are severely maimed prompting some to ask: hey hey GWB, how many kids will it be? The wiser choice would have been to invest 50 billion dollars in covert operations and 50 billion in homeland security. Besides, using conventional troops to fight terrorists is similar to the British army using regulars to fight French guerrillas during the Revolutionary War. Consequently, volunteerism for U.S. military service has sharply declined for all branches prompting rumors of a draft. Kerry will need to redirect resources to enhance homeland security while getting many more nations to share in troop and money commitments overseas especially in Iraq. He will also need to push Saudi Arabia and China to administer sanctions against Iran and North Korea to prevent further nuclear proliferation. Most importantly, however, he will need to fight terrorists overseas through covert operations.

Again, more BS. It was costing us as much or more each year to contain Sadam. So Bush actually saved us money(for those of you sick individuals who will place money above human life). Recruiters are meeting there goals, so I don't understand the rumors of a draft. I also don't understand the reason why democrats introduced the bill to re institute the draft recently that was voted down. Can you say HYPOCRISY. China and Saudi Arabia, been there done that. Come up with something original. And how is Kerry supposed to gain more international support when all he does is insult other countries. Nice plan. B. Domestic Policy

1. "Bush spent the U.S. surplus and shattered the record for the biggest annual deficit in history." Bush's tax cuts to the wealthy along with irresponsible subsidizing of the war in Iraq has taken the U.S. budget from dark black to bright red all in the span of four years. Another four years of this squandering will bankrupt the United States. The remaining 100 billion dollars (from above) could have been invested in domestic programs like health care, education and the infrastructure. Kerry will need to revoke the tax cuts for the rich and reduce the United State's financial/military commitment in Iraq. These two changes (along with others) should result in a balanced budget in four years with the possibility of a return to a budget surplus in eight years.

Again, get your facts straight. The economy was already in decline when Clinton left and then 9/11 happened, Afghanistan, Iraq. Bush inherited problems and then had to face things that we have never seen before. Be fair. Everyone who pays taxes received a cut, not just the wealthy. And tell me how giving tax breaks to companies is bad when you are trying to help create growth that will create new jobs and keep companies from outsourcing. Think these things through before hand. Another way Kerry will cut the budget is the military and Intelligence as Clinton did and look what happened. Ever think about that. Higher taxes, more job loss and outsourcing, the Kerry administration. Sounds great to me.

2. "Bush entered office with the strongest economy in US history and in less than two years turned every single economic category heading straight down. His first two years in office resulted in 2 million Americans losing their jobs AND he cut unemployment benefits for more out-of-work Americans than any other president in US History." His presidency has been the most "in-your-face" support of the wealthy whether it be tax cuts, the lack of an energy and environmental policy, failure to crack down hard on corporate corruption etc. Kerry will need to bring back former Clinton adviser Robert Ruben to turn the economy around just as was done after the failed administration of Bush Sr. Kerry will need to fast-track the operationalizing of alternative energy sources in order to reduce U.S. dependence on Middle Eastern oil specifically and world oil in general. As a former prosecutor, he will need to push for long-term prison sentences for those committing white-collar crimes and reduce the difficulty of prosecuting the likes of Ken Ley.

Quite repeating yourself. Bush destroys the economy, we hear you. We also know the truth. I was not aware that the president also needed to police the US. I thought we had organizations to do that(Police, FBI, CIA, IRS, etc.).
I agree with you about alternative energy and prosecuting people for their crimes. I don't think we need more legislation, just better enforcement of our existing laws. I think that with all the corporate scandals and Martha Stewart that it will be harder for law enforcement and our justice system to not come down harder and more often on these types of crimes.


Conclusion

The failures by George W. Bush, the viable alternative of John Kerry, the massive number of newly registered voters, the amount of attention being given by the American people on this election and the mass media trying to spin this race as being close are all clear signs of a Kerry landslide. On the November 2, 2004 the people will speak loud and clear.


I would not use viable alternative and John Kerry in the same sentence. It is a contradiction. The election will be close, but hopefully people will wake up and realize that Bush is the only good and viable choice. Bigger government, higher taxes, socialized medicine and more, being in more danger in our homeland, ya Kerry is the obvious choice. NOT
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Bush is the only good and viable choice. Bigger government, higher taxes, socialized medicine and more, being in more danger in our homeland, ya Kerry is the obvious choice. NOT
Corporate welfare, military draft, international isolation, skyrocketing prices and falling incomes, growing poverty and number of americans without health insurance sounds so much more appealing!
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People have no idea where he is going to take this country, we all know where Bush is going to lead us. I don't think people like not knowing what is going on, therefore Bush will win.
Hans, you could say that about any challenger. Of course you don't know EXACTLY how things will turn out, but Kerry has made his position clear on all the major issues. If you still have confusion you can find out more on his website - http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html - under "Plan For America".
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Bush is the only good and viable choice. Bigger government, higher taxes, socialized medicine and more, being in more danger in our homeland, ya Kerry is the obvious choice. NOT
Corporate welfare, military draft, international isolation, skyrocketing prices and falling incomes, growing poverty and number of americans without health insurance sounds so much more appealing!
Ken, keep spouting the same crap again and again. It is doing wonders for Bush. The more you lefties lie and try to mislead, the more Kerry loses ground because people are starting to see through the BS. You can't come up with something better than just repeating the opposite of what I say. Pathetic. Keep it up. Your doing a good job of re-electing Bush.

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People have no idea where he is going to take this country, we all know where Bush is going to lead us. I don't think people like not knowing what is going on, therefore Bush will win.
Hans, you could say that about any challenger. Of course you don't know EXACTLY how things will turn out, but Kerry has made his position clear on all the major issues. If you still have confusion you can find out more on his website - http://www.johnkerry.com/index.html - under "Plan For America".
You are correct rwspin. Kerry has made himself clear, but for how long. When is going to contradict himself again and flip-flop. I could respect a dem candidate if he was at least trying. The problem is that Kerry is so blatantly dishonest and changes position so much that he has no credibility. It is obvious. He is not even a good liar.
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"If you still have confusion you can find out more on his website"


I wonder how american voters used to decide when there wasn't an internet....


Oh yeah!! The candidate actually STATED his plans.... that's how...


"go to my website" is a freaking cop-out and that is why Kerry loses big...
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Again, more BS. It was costing us as much or more each year to contain Sadam. So Bush actually saved us money(for those of you sick individuals who will place money above human life).
Really? Containing Saddam was costing $50 billion to $100 billion a year? How about a link.

Here, I'll go first: http://www.tyndallreport.com/tw0309.html

The Pentagon itself calculates that containing Saddam for the 12 years after the Gulf War cost $30 billion — or about $2.5 billion a year. At that rate, we could have contained him for another 48 years for the $120 billion we've already spent on Iraq.

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On spending: Bush has already expanded the government in huge ways, and has proposed $3 trillion in new spending on top of that. Even Bush says Kerry's proposals will cost only $2.2 trillion — and Kerry has said he will prioritize getting control of the deficit, even if that means he can't achieve everything he wants to.

On taxes: Yep, Kerry will mean higher taxes, although mostly all he's talking about doing is repealing the Bush tax cut for high-income taxpayers. But what's wrong with higher taxes? The fiscally responsible course is to align income with spending. Bush, on the other hand, is raising spending while cutting taxes, putting the burden on our children. That's the most irresponsible thing possible.

Socialized medicine: Speaking of not having your facts straight, everyone but the Bush campaign agrees that Kerry's health care plan is not "socialized medicine." The government will not force you to change your health coverage or doctor. 97% of people are expected to keep the plan they have. What Kerry will do is give people the option to enroll in the same health plan Congress gets, and provide more coverage to people who currently don't have any. That's why Kerry's health plan is both more expensive and far more effective than Bush's Band-aid.

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