All I can say is: LIBERAL LOGIC IS NO LOGIC AT ALL!!

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

Great site, raytri. Thanks.

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"Government exists to protect us from each other. Where government has gone beyond its limits is in deciding to protect us from ourselves." ~Ronald Reagan

I posted 6 polls of Bush's job approval above:

You picked the one which is way out of wack with the rest of the polls and you are using it to "show" that Bush's job approval is high in battleground states. Thatt's dishonest jp5, SHAME ON YOU!!!

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The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself. George W. Bush

Rasmussen has total Electoral Votes as.....Bush 213 and Kerry 194. The other 131 he has as too close to call. Until the first debate, he had moved Florida into a solid Bush column giving the president 240 electoral votes..........but then took it out after that first debate because it became too close to call again. Now, it's going back towards Bush....but not enough to put it in a firm win column yet. So, with Bush at 213 and Kerry with 194......Bush wins Ohio and Florida and Wisconsin....he wins. He needs 57 more electoral votes to win; Kerry needs 76 more electoral votes. We should know early in the evening.....because if Bush wins Ohio, Florida and Pennsylvania.....it's over. We'll know maybe.........from what I'm hearing about the Democrats shenanigans.....we may be weeks knowing again. And that would be really a sad situation for our country. So.....I'm hoping it's not even close...and that Bush wins by a much bigger margin than even I expect.

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

I didn't post it KEN.....BECAUSE YOU ALREADY HAD. And besides, that wasn't our discussion. You were giving national polling.....and I simply said the polling inside those swing states is what is important now. I was giving you the sentiment going on inside those states. But that's okay....KEEP focusing on the national polls, Ken........misguided as it is at this point. IF you continue to bury your head and think that national polls are more important than those swing states.....then SHAME ON YOU!!

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

Didn't it even occur to you that if Ramussen's job approval rating is out of whack nationaly it's likely to be an outlier in battleground states as well?

How else can Bush be behind Kerry in Wisconsin with his job approval at 53%?

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The war on terror involves Saddam Hussein because of the nature of Saddam Hussein, the history of Saddam Hussein, and his willingness to terrorize himself. George W. Bush

He's only behind by 1% point in Wisconsin......in this polling by Rasmussen. So what if that's wrong? Did you ever consider that's the particular poll that's "out of whack?" With the margin of error....he could very well be ahead.

As I recall you've said before that Newsweek was "out of whack" when it showed Bush way ahead. Now, that's it's showing Kerry ahead, you are suddenly posting is as the poll to believe.

Polls are not always very accurate. In fact, in 2000, the polls were awful. I'm not placing my full faith in what any of them say right now. But you go ahead........

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"What exactly is this foreign policy experience?" Obama said mockingly of the New York senator. "Was she negotiating treaties? Was she handling crises? The answer is no."

RealClearPolitics Poll AverageSM
3-Way Race: Bush/Cheney vs Kerry/Edwards vs Nader/Camejo
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Poll Date Bush/
Cheney Kerry/
Edwards Nader/
Camejo Spread
RCP Average 10/13 - 10/16 49.0% 45.0% 1.7% Bush +4.0
ABC/Wash Post (1203 LV)* 10/14 - 10/16 50% 46% 2% Bush +4
CNN/USAT/Gallup (788 LV) 10/14 - 10/16 52% 44% 1% Bush +8
Zogby (1211 LV) 10/14 - 10/16 46% 44% 1% Bush +2
TIPP (786 LV) 10/13 - 10/16 48% 45% 2% Bush +3
Time (865 LV w/leaners) 10/14 - 10/15 48% 47% 3% Bush +1
Newsweek (LV) 10/14 - 10/15 50% 44% 1% Bush +6
GW/Battleground (1000 LV) 10/11 - 10/14 49% 46% 0% Bush +3
CBS News (760 LV) 10/9 - 10/11 48% 45% 2% Bush +3
ICR (763 LV) 10/9 - 10/11 48% 43% 2% Bush +5
CNN/USAT/Gallup (793 LV) 10/9 - 10/10 48% 49% 1% Kerry +1
Time (886 LV w/leaners) 10/6 - 10/7 46% 45% 4% Bush +1
GW/Battleground (1250 LV) 10/3 - 10/7 49% 46% 0% Bush +3
AP/Ipsos (944 LV)*** 10/4 - 10/6 46% 50% 2% Kerry +4
Marist (642 LV) 10/4 - 10/5 49% 46% 1% Bush +3
Fox News (1000 LV) 10/3 - 10/4 47% 45% 1% Bush +2
ICR (762 LV)** 10/1 - 10/5 51% 45% 2% Bush +6
ARG (800 LV) 10/2 - 10/4 46% 46% 2% TIE
ABC News/WP (1169 LV) 10/1 - 10/3 51% 46% 1% Bush +5
CBS News/NYT (561 LV) 10/1 - 10/3 47% 47% 1% TIE
Zogby (1036 LV) 10/1 - 10/3 46% 43% 2% Bush +3
Pew Research (801 LV) 10/1 - 10/3 49% 44% 2% Bush +5
CNN/USAT/Gallup (772 LV) 10/1 - 10/3 49% 49% 1% TIE
Newsweek (1013 RV) 9/30 - 10/2 45% 47% 2% Kerry +2
SHU Poll Inst. (1003 LV) 9/27 - 10/2 48% 43% 2% Bush +5
Battleground (1000 LV) 9/27 - 9/30 51% 44% 1% Bush +7
LA Times (1100 LV) 9/25 - 9/28 51% 45% 2% Bush +6
CNN/USAT/Gallup (758 LV) 9/24 - 9/26 52% 44% 3% Bush +8
IBD/TIPP (649 LV) 9/22 - 9/27 45% 45% 2% TIE
ABC News/WP (810 LV) 9/23 - 9/26 51% 45% 1% Bush +6
Pew Research (948 RV) 9/22 - 9/26 48% 40% 2% Bush +8
Time (877 LV) 9/21 - 9/23 48% 42% 5% Bush +6
FOX News (1000 LV) 9/21 - 9/22 46% 42% 1% Bush +4
Battleground (1000 LV) 9/20 - 9/23 50% 45% 0% Bush +5
Marist (630 LV) 9/20 - 9/22 50% 44% 2% Bush +6
CBS News (931 LV) 9/20 - 9/22 51% 42% 2% Bush +9
AP/Ipsos (931 LV) 9/20 - 9/22 52% 45% 1% Bush +7
Pew Research (989 RV) 9/17 - 9/21 45% 42% 3% Bush +3
NBC News/WSJ (787 LV) 9/17 - 9/19 50% 46% 1% Bush +4
Zogby (1066 LV) 9/17 - 9/19 46% 43% 1% Bush +3
IBD/TIPP (650 LV) 9/14 - 9/18 45% 42% 2% Bush +3
ARG (LV) 9/7 - 9/21 47% 46% 1% Bush +1
CBS News (1048 RV) 9/12 - 9/16 50% 41% 3% Bush +9
CNN/USAT/Gallup (767 LV) 9/13 - 9/15 54% 40% 3% Bush +14 Battleground (1000 LV) 9/12 - 9/15 49% 45% 1% Bush +4
Pew Research (725 LV) 9/11 - 9/14 47% 46% 1% Bush +1
Harris (867 LV) 9/9 - 9/13 47% 48% 2% Kerry +1
Newsweek (1003 RV) 9/9 - 9/10 49% 43% 2% Bush +6
IBD/TIPP (674 LV) 9/7 - 9/12 46% 46% 3% TIE
Zogby (1018 LV) 9/8 - 9/9 46% 42% 2% Bush +4
Time (857 LV) 9/7 - 9/9 52% 41% 3% Bush +11
AP/Ipsos (899 LV) 9/7 - 9/9 51% 46% 1% Bush +5
FOX/Opin. Dyn. (1000 LV) 9/7 - 9/8 47% 43% 3% Bush +4
ABC News/Wash Post (LV) 9/6 - 9/8 52% 43% 2% Bush +9
Pew Research (745 LV) 9/8 - 9/10 54% 38% 2% Bush +16
CBS News (909 RV) 9/6 - 9/8 49% 42% 1% Bush +7
CNN/USAT/Gallup (778 LV) 9/3 - 9/5 52% 45% 1% Bush +7
Newsweek (1,008 RV) 9/2 - 9/3 52% 41% 3% Bush +11


This really doesn't look good for KERRY.

Ken Lay posts 80 different polls every day. Now that all of them show Bush with the lead he tries talking about approval ratings.

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All you need to know about the energy crisis:
ANWR Exploration Republicans: 91% Supported. Democrats: 86% Opposed.
Coal-to-liquid R's: 90% YES. D's: 78% NO.
Oil Shale Exploration R's: 90% YES. D's: 86% NO.
Outer Continental Shelf Exploration R's: 81% YES. D's: 83% NO.
Increased Refinery Capacity R's: 97% YES. D's: 96% NO

SUMMARY: 91% of House Republicans have historically voted to increase the production of America’s own oil and gas. 86% of House Democrats have historically voted against.