Palin lied tonight about Obama's tax increase voting record

Doug_yvr · #1 (**permalink**) 10-02-2008, 09:10 PM

Queen of the Whoppers strikes again:

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(CNN) Fact Check: Did Obama vote 94 times for higher taxes?

The Statement: At a debate Thursday, Oct. 2 in St. Louis, Missouri, Republican vice presidential candidate Gov. Sarah Palin charged Democrat Sen. Barack Obama of supporting higher taxes. "Barack had 94 opportunities to side on the people's side and reduce taxes, and 94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction — 94 times."

Get the facts!

The Facts: The effort to convince voters that Sen. Barack Obama would support higher taxes is a central part of Sen. John McCain's presidential campaign. McCain and the Republican National Committee have repeatedly cited 94 alleged votes by Obama to bolster their argument. Factcheck.org, a non-partisan project of the University of Pennsylvania's Annenberg Public Policy Center, pieced through records to determine just what these 94 instances were. Key findings:

–23 were against proposed tax cuts.

— 7 were "for measures that would have lowered taxes for many, while raising them on a relative few, either corporations or affluent individuals."

– 11 were to increase taxes on people making more than $1 million a year, to help fund programs such as Head Start, school nutrition, or veterans' health care.

– 53 were votes on budget resolutions or amendments that "could not have resulted by themselves in raising taxes," though many "were clear statements of approval for increased taxes"

The total also includes multiple votes on the same measures. Annenberg says a close look at the record reveals that Obama has "voted consistently to restore higher tax rates on upper income taxpayers but not on middle- or low-income workers."

The Verdict: Misleading. Palin's summary ignores the fact that some of the votes were for measures to lower taxes for many Americans, while increasing them for a much smaller number of taxpayers. The total also includes multiple votes on the same measures and budget votes that would not directly lead to higher taxes.
CNN Factcheck

ObamaSuperStar · #2 (**permalink**) 10-02-2008, 09:20 PM

I just finished reading that one, i thought that it was debunked last week when McCain used the same blurb in his debate...

XVZ · #3 (**permalink**) 10-02-2008, 09:23 PM

Obama voted to roll back the Bush tax cuts on people making as little as $42,000 a year. Some dumbasses don't consider that a tax increase. Some dumbasses that think the government gives tax breaks don't think that is a tax increase. Some dumbasses that don't know that the government TAKES taxes, does not GIVE anything when it comes to taxes do not realize that that is a tax increase.

Well I've got news for all the dumbasses. THAT IS A TAX INCREASE.

Doug_yvr · #4 (**permalink**) 10-02-2008, 09:23 PM

More fact checks, from AP:

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By CALVIN WOODWARD, Associated Press Writer 14 minutes ago

WASHINGTON - Republican Sarah Palin criticized a version of a Barack Obama health care plan that doesn't exist and Democrat Joe Biden clung to a misleading charge about Republicans and big oil when the two clashed in the vice presidential debate Thursday.

Some examples of facts cast adrift in the debate:

PALIN: Said of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama: "94 times he voted to increase taxes or not support a tax reduction."

THE FACTS: The dubious count includes repetitive votes as well as votes to cut taxes for the middle class while raising them on the rich. An analysis by factcheck.org found that 23 of the votes were for measures that would have produced no tax increase at all, seven were in favor of measures that would have lowered taxes for many, 11 would have increased taxes on only those making more than $1 million a year.

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BIDEN: Complained about "economic policies of the last eight years" that led to "excessive deregulation."

THE FACTS: Biden voted for 1999 deregulation that liberal groups are blaming for part of the financial crisis today. The law allowed Wall Street investment banks to create the kind of mortgage-related securities at the core of the problem now. The law was widely backed by Republicans as well as by Democratic President Clinton, who argues it has stopped the crisis today from being worse.

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PALIN: Criticized Obama's "plan to mandate health care coverage and have universal government run program" for health care, and added: "I don't think it's going to be real pleasing for Americans to consider health care being taken over by the Feds."

THE FACTS: Wrong on several counts. Obama's plan does not provide for universal coverage, only mandates insurance for children and doesn't turn the system over to the government. Most people would still get private insurance through their work. Obama proposes that the government subsidize the cost of health coverage for millions who have trouble affording it and he'd set up an exchange to negotiate prices and benefits with private insurers — with one option being a government-run plan.

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BIDEN: Warned that Republican presidential candidate John McCain's $5,000 tax credit to help families buy health coverage "will go straight to the insurance company."

THE FACTS: Of course it would, because it's meant to pay for insurance. That's like saying money for a car loan will go straight to the car dealer.

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PALIN: "Two years ago, remember, it was John McCain who pushed so hard with the Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac reform measures. He sounded that warning bell."

THE FACTS: Republican Sen. Chuck Hagel of Nebraska led an effort in 2005 to tighten regulation on the mortgage underwriters — McCain joined as a co-sponsor a year later. The legislation was never taken up by the full Senate, then under Republican control. BIDEN: Said McCain supports tax breaks for oil companies, and "wants to give them another $4 billion tax cut."

THE FACTS: Biden is repeating a favorite saw of the Obama campaign, and it's misleading. McCain supports a cut in income taxes for all corporations, and doesn't single out any one industry for that benefit.

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PALIN: Said the United States has reduced its troop level in Iraq to a number below where it was when the troop increase began in early 2007.

THE FACTS: Not correct. The Pentagon says there are currently 152,000 U.S. troops in Iraq, about 17,000 more than there were before the 2007 military buildup began.

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BIDEN: "As a matter of fact, John recently wrote an article in a major magazine saying that he wants to do for the health care industry — deregulate it and let the free market move — like he did for the banking industry."

THE FACTS: Biden and Obama have been perpetuating this distortion of what McCain wrote in an article for the American Academy of Actuaries. McCain, laying out his health plan, only referred to deregulation when saying people should be allowed to buy health insurance across state lines. In that context, he wrote: "Opening up the health insurance market to more vigorous nationwide competition, as we have done over the last decade in banking, would provide more choices of innovative products less burdened by the worst excesses of state-based regulation."

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PALIN: Said Alaska is "building a nearly $40 billion natural gas pipeline, which is North America's largest and most expensive infrastructure project ever to flow those sources of energy into hungry markets."

THE FACTS: Not quite. Construction is at least six years away. So far the state has only awarded a license to Trans Canada Corp., that comes with $500 million in seed money in exchange for commitments toward a lengthy and costly process to getting a federal certificate. At an August news conference after the state Legislature approved the license, Palin said, "It's not a done deal."

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PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."

BIDEN: "The charge is absolutely not true. Barack Obama did not vote to raise taxes. The vote she's referring to, John McCain voted the exact same way."

THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others. In the March 14 budget resolution supported by Obama and Biden, McCain actually did not vote.

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PALIN: Said a McCain-Palin administration "will support Israel," including "building our embassy ... in Jerusalem."

THE FACTS: Moving the U.S. Embassy from its present location in Tel Aviv to Jerusalem is a perennial promise of presidential candidates courting the Jewish-American vote. In fact, moving the embassy is actually required by U.S. law. But successive administrations of both parties, including George W. Bush's, have made the same pledge only to find that the realities of Middle East peacemaking have forced them to invoke a waiver to delay it. Jerusalem is claimed as a capital by both Israel and the Palestinians and Israel's occupation of east Jerusalem is not internationally recognized. The city's status is one of the key issues of disagreement in peace negotiations between Israel and the Palestinians. [url=http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/ap_on_el_pr/debate_fact_check]Link

Butercupp · #5 (**permalink**) 10-02-2008, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by XVZ

Obama voted to roll back the Bush tax cuts on people making as little as $42,000 a year. Some dumbasses don't consider that a tax increase. Some dumbasses that think the government gives tax breaks don't think that is a tax increase. Some dumbasses that don't know that the government TAKES taxes, does not GIVE anything when it comes to taxes do not realize that that is a tax increase.

Well I've got news for all the dumbasses. THAT IS A TAX INCREASE.

"PALIN: "Barack Obama even supported increasing taxes as late as last year for those families making only $42,000 a year."

THE FACTS: The vote was on a nonbinding budget resolution that assumed that President Bush's tax cuts would expire, as scheduled, in 2011. If that actually happened, it could mean higher taxes for people making as little as about $42,000. But Obama is proposing tax increases only on the wealthy, and would cut taxes for most others. In the March 14 budget resolution supported by Obama and Biden, McCain actually did not vote. "

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081003/...ate_fact_check
and Factcheck.org

justabubba · #6 (**permalink**) 10-02-2008, 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by XVZ

Obama voted to roll back the Bush tax cuts on people making as little as $42,000 a year. Some dumbasses don't consider that a tax increase. Some dumbasses that think the government gives tax breaks don't think that is a tax increase. Some dumbasses that don't know that the government TAKES taxes, does not GIVE anything when it comes to taxes do not realize that that is a tax increase.

Well I've got news for all the dumbasses. THAT IS A TAX INCREASE.

we get it. as a republican the facts and truth are not important to you

Pro Deus Et Patria · #7 (**permalink**) 10-02-2008, 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by XVZ

Obama voted to roll back the Bush tax cuts on people making as little as $42,000 a year.

That isn't true. PERSONAL INSULT REMOVED

Rebellion · #8 (**permalink**) 10-03-2008, 09:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Doug_yvr

Queen of the Whoppers strikes again:

That's about as surprising as all the lies that Biden told in the debate. Fact check has a list on him as well.

Doug_yvr · #9 (**permalink**) 10-03-2008, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Rebellion

That's about as surprising as all the lies that Biden told in the debate. Fact check has a list on him as well.

I posted a list of both side's lies above in this thread.

Butercupp · #10 (**permalink**) 10-03-2008, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Doug_yvr

I posted a list of both side's lies above in this thread.

I was about to say that to him. I guess he was so shocked that thier are actuall bi-partisans out here that he was blinded.

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