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Just think if Obama was running on the Republican ticket. He would lose the gay-rights, abortion and young liberal vote, the Hollywood vote. I think the black vote would cross-over to republican. at of loyality to the man, but than it would appear as racial. Just think how the attacks from the left would turn on him. When we face the fact, that most of voting America is driven by political party and not the man running for office, we may be able to overcome the hatefulness that is done to the candidate and their family. Wonder why Americans can never admit it's the party values we vote for, and not the person. A great example is Hillary Clinton winning a New York senate seat. What does she have to do with New York other than there are more registered democrats than republicans? Shouldn't our Presidential election be based on a popular vote, rather than the electoral college?
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Just think if Obama was running on the Republican ticket. He would lose the gay-rights, abortion and young liberal vote, the Hollywood vote. I think the black vote would cross-over to republican. at of loyality to the man, but than it would appear as racial. Just think how the attacks from the left would turn on him. When we face the fact, that most of voting America is driven by political party and not the man running for office, we may be able to overcome the hatefulness that is done to the candidate and their family. Wonder why Americans can never admit it's the party values we vote for, and not the person. A great example is Hillary Clinton winning a New York senate seat. What does she have to do with New York other than there are more registered democrats than republicans? Shouldn't our Presidential election be based on a popular vote, rather than the electoral college?
If he held the same policies (which he wouldn't), I would vote for him in a minute.
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If he held the same policies (which he wouldn't), I would vote for him in a minute.
I completly agree. Believe it or not there is a good portion of America that does not vote along party lines.
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Anytime I ask someone who they voted for, they usually have a history of voting either democrat or republican. Independent voters are a small segment but probably the most important one.
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Just think if Obama was running on the Republican ticket. He would lose the gay-rights, abortion and young liberal vote, the Hollywood vote. I think the black vote would cross-over to republican. at of loyality to the man, but than it would appear as racial. Just think how the attacks from the left would turn on him. When we face the fact, that most of voting America is driven by political party and not the man running for office, we may be able to overcome the hatefulness that is done to the candidate and their family. Wonder why Americans can never admit it's the party values we vote for, and not the person. A great example is Hillary Clinton winning a New York senate seat. What does she have to do with New York other than there are more registered democrats than republicans? Shouldn't our Presidential election be based on a popular vote, rather than the electoral college?
The Electoral College was created, because our founding fathers realized a deep seated passion for the capacity of man to use power wisely. The Electoral College is the only system that works and is a better system to fight against a deep seated fear for power. The only problem that the founding fathers didn't predict was that our country was going down the path of a two party system. I would propose rather than changing the system we need to develop a grass roots campaign for Independent, Libertarian and Green party candidates to compete with the two established party's in this country.

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If only! We wouldn't be counting the days until GWB is out of office!
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I don't think blacks would have voted for Obama if he were a Republican. Blacks vote Obama not because he is black, its because he is black and has potential. Jesse Jackson is black, and I doubt the majority of blacks would vote for him over Hillary Clinton. Al Sharpton is black, and I highly doubt blacks would pick him over Hillary Clinton. Its not simply color that attracts black voters to Obama and I believe that its a stereotype that is used in a racist way sometimes. Why? Because nor Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton have a good personality despite them being black. Its more about party and personality then it is about race 9 times our of 10.
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I don't think blacks would have voted for Obama if he were a Republican. Blacks vote Obama not because he is black, its because he is black and has potential. Jesse Jackson is black, and I doubt the majority of blacks would vote for him over Hillary Clinton. Al Sharpton is black, and I highly doubt blacks would pick him over Hillary Clinton. Its not simply color that attracts black voters to Obama and I believe that its a stereotype that is used in a racist way sometimes. Why? Because nor Jesse Jackson or Al Sharpton have a good personality despite them being black. Its more about party and personality then it is about race 9 times our of 10.
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Just think if Obama was running on the Republican ticket. He would lose the gay-rights, abortion and young liberal vote, the Hollywood vote. I think the black vote would cross-over to republican. at of loyality to the man, but than it would appear as racial. Just think how the attacks from the left would turn on him. When we face the fact, that most of voting America is driven by political party and not the man running for office, we may be able to overcome the hatefulness that is done to the candidate and their family. Wonder why Americans can never admit it's the party values we vote for, and not the person. A great example is Hillary Clinton winning a New York senate seat. What does she have to do with New York other than there are more registered democrats than republicans? Shouldn't our Presidential election be based on a popular vote, rather than the electoral college?
The problem with that supposition is that, for better or worse, each party does have a philosophy that is reflected in their platforms.
The democrats tend to be inclusive, big tent types who think that society needs to care about the least among us while the republicans tend to be more exclusive, each person for himself types who don't think that society has a responsibility for those who are in need.
There is also a liberal and conservative philosophical difference that draws people to one party or another. Liberals tend to be progressive and look toward the future for answers while conservatives tend to be reactionary and look to the past for answers.
This doesn't mean that either philosophy doesn't make mistakes if they go too far, which is why there is a pendulum effect in voters' preferences over time.
Both philosophies have the potential to contribute to the well being of society when their ideals coincide with the needs of society at a particular time.
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